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Let me sum them up for you: there isn't any. Just like the iPhone when it appeared, there really is no rival to the experience iPad offers, to its hardware+sof

by nickpp 17y ago

Let me sum them up for you: there isn't any. Just like the iPhone when it appeared, there really is no rival to the experience iPad offers, to its hardware+software+touch combo. The closest it MAY come, could be Android, someday. Again, just like with the iPhone.

xtho 17y ago
Who cares about the "experience" if it doesn't run vim and has no sd card slot?
- ugh 17y ago
  Those people who don’t use vim and don’t need a SD card slot? I.e. most people?
  - krainboltgreene 17y ago
    Hell, I'd dare to say most hackers don't use VIM or need a SD slot on their tablet.
    - DeusExMachina 17y ago
      I don't think hackers will use a tablet to do some serious work. For that we have already our computers. I use Vim, but it's the last thing I could think about speaking of a tablet. The iPad (and all his wanabe rivals) have a different target than hackers.
- krainboltgreene 17y ago
  VIM: Fuck your experience, use me.
- progr 17y ago
  Yes you can access an sd card (search the apple.com for iPad Camera Connection Kit) and no you don't need to run vim on the iPad.
  - xtho 17y ago
    Who would buy an ugly connection kit that sticks out of the device for an overpriced tablet? Okay, I forgot about the normal Apple user.
tybris 17y ago
and most of all it's a status symbol.
- stcredzero 17y ago
  Which is exactly what you want if you're going for the high-margin high-end of the market.
elblanco 17y ago
Chrome OS is intended to run on hardware not entirely dissimilar to the iPad (get rid of the keyboard, put in a touch screen), with similar types of on-line connectivity. Chrome OS will be to the iPad what Android is to the iPod.
- rufo 17y ago
  Why not Android on a tablet? (Or, to put it another way, why does Chrome OS exist?)
  - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
    Because with small screens and underpowered chips web technologies can't cut it right now for many tasks, hence Android. This will become less and less true over time, and bigger screens, faster chips, new tech like WebGL and Apple convincing the public that a tablet doesn't need to be the same as their old computer all help it happen faster and make Chrome OS more compelling long term.
- metachor 17y ago
  Can Chrome OS run games, or music-making applications (synthesizers, drum machines), or really anything that isn't in a web page?
  - elblanco 17y ago
    That's a good question, and I get where you are coming from with it. The iPad/phone/touch devices let you run local apps that can take more efficient advantage of the hardware the software is running on. But from what I can tell, the vast majority of apps are simply portals to data on the internet anyway -- in some cases just exact reproductions of the mobile version of some site (Wolfram Alpha anybody). And as Google has demonstrated, pretty advanced apps can be built on the web, that work great on the phone (and has the nice side benefit of circumventing Apple's ridiculous approval process). I think that if you look strategically where Google is heading (faster Javascript, native apps - which I think now supports ARM, embedded flash, etc.), running stuff embedded in a web page shouldn't really be any less efficient than running a local app. The good short-term rebuttal is that Apple can do it now, with local apps. Longer term, if the development ecosystem for web-based apps gets sophisticated enough, it won't really matter if you own an iPhone, iPad, Chrome OS device, Android phone, whatever...because the app will be pulled off of a website completely circumventing Apple's walled garden. Your two examples, games and music-making apps, are already widely available over the web right-now. So yes, a Chrome OS box can run those things. http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224201220 http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/sho... http://armorgames.com/ http://armorgames.com/ http://aviary.com/tools/Myna#googtrans/auto/en http://aviary.com/tools/Myna#googtrans/auto/en http://blog.soundseller.eu/2009/11/online-audio-editor-aviary-myna/ http://blog.soundseller.eu/2009/11/online-audio-editor-aviar... http://vimeo.com/8525101 http://vimeo.com/8525101 http://blog.soundseller.eu/2010/03/spectrum-visualization-with-the-html5-audio-data-api/ http://blog.soundseller.eu/2010/03/spectrum-visualization-wi...
PG-13 17y ago
The iPhone was huge because it was such a huge leap and unexpected departure from previous phones. It created awe and generated desire from the moment it was unveiled. It was obvious to those who get tech that the iPhone would be huge. People who underestimated the iPhone are now overcompensating by being bullish on the iPad because they fail to understand that these are not the same thing. The unveiling of the iPad did not engender any of the feelings of awe that iPhone's did. Apple unveiled the worst tablet device they possibly could have. It was completely predictable. Every usage we've seen of the iPad has involved someone contorting his body to accommodate the device. The iPhone offered a users things they didn't think were possible with a phone, and these were things they clearly wanted. The iPad offers users nothing they can't do using a laptop. It is an attempt at forcing a style of usage onto users that is clearly undesirable. People will try to hype this thing and pretend they like it for as long as possible, but one can only sustain a lie for so long. This will be the end of the aura that Apple has been building for the past decade. It is clear as night and day.
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  I don't know if it will be a hit or not, but I started becoming uncomfortable when the biggest touted "feature" in the keynote appeared to be the number of people's credit cards that Apple had on file. That didn't sound like a typical Steve "bicycle for the mind" Jobs thing to repeatedly dwell on. Certainly doesn't excite me as a gadget consumer.
  - snom370 17y ago
    I watched the keynote and can't say that I heard it repeatedly dwelled upon. Where was it mentioned?
    - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
      Screenshot of slide: http://obamapacman.com/2010/01/official-steve-jobs-apple-ipad-keynote-video/90-24-over-125-million-itunes-accounts-with-credit-cards-ipad-keynote-official-steve-jobs-apple-ipad-keynote-video/ http://obamapacman.com/2010/01/official-steve-jobs-apple-ipa...

by nickpp 17y ago

xtho 17y ago

Who cares about the "experience" if it doesn't run vim and has no sd card slot?

ugh 17y ago
Those people who don’t use vim and don’t need a SD card slot? I.e. most people?
- krainboltgreene 17y ago
  Hell, I'd dare to say most hackers don't use VIM or need a SD slot on their tablet.
  - DeusExMachina 17y ago
    I don't think hackers will use a tablet to do some serious work. For that we have already our computers. I use Vim, but it's the last thing I could think about speaking of a tablet. The iPad (and all his wanabe rivals) have a different target than hackers.
krainboltgreene 17y ago
VIM: Fuck your experience, use me.
progr 17y ago
Yes you can access an sd card (search the apple.com for iPad Camera Connection Kit) and no you don't need to run vim on the iPad.
- xtho 17y ago
  Who would buy an ugly connection kit that sticks out of the device for an overpriced tablet? Okay, I forgot about the normal Apple user.

tybris 17y ago

and most of all it's a status symbol.

stcredzero 17y ago
Which is exactly what you want if you're going for the high-margin high-end of the market.

elblanco 17y ago

Chrome OS is intended to run on hardware not entirely dissimilar to the iPad (get rid of the keyboard, put in a touch screen), with similar types of on-line connectivity. Chrome OS will be to the iPad what Android is to the iPod.

rufo 17y ago
Why not Android on a tablet? (Or, to put it another way, why does Chrome OS exist?)
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  Because with small screens and underpowered chips web technologies can't cut it right now for many tasks, hence Android. This will become less and less true over time, and bigger screens, faster chips, new tech like WebGL and Apple convincing the public that a tablet doesn't need to be the same as their old computer all help it happen faster and make Chrome OS more compelling long term.
metachor 17y ago
Can Chrome OS run games, or music-making applications (synthesizers, drum machines), or really anything that isn't in a web page?
- elblanco 17y ago
  That's a good question, and I get where you are coming from with it. The iPad/phone/touch devices let you run local apps that can take more efficient advantage of the hardware the software is running on. But from what I can tell, the vast majority of apps are simply portals to data on the internet anyway -- in some cases just exact reproductions of the mobile version of some site (Wolfram Alpha anybody). And as Google has demonstrated, pretty advanced apps can be built on the web, that work great on the phone (and has the nice side benefit of circumventing Apple's ridiculous approval process). I think that if you look strategically where Google is heading (faster Javascript, native apps - which I think now supports ARM, embedded flash, etc.), running stuff embedded in a web page shouldn't really be any less efficient than running a local app. The good short-term rebuttal is that Apple can do it now, with local apps. Longer term, if the development ecosystem for web-based apps gets sophisticated enough, it won't really matter if you own an iPhone, iPad, Chrome OS device, Android phone, whatever...because the app will be pulled off of a website completely circumventing Apple's walled garden. Your two examples, games and music-making apps, are already widely available over the web right-now. So yes, a Chrome OS box can run those things. http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224201220 http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/sho... http://armorgames.com/ http://armorgames.com/ http://aviary.com/tools/Myna#googtrans/auto/en http://aviary.com/tools/Myna#googtrans/auto/en http://blog.soundseller.eu/2009/11/online-audio-editor-aviary-myna/ http://blog.soundseller.eu/2009/11/online-audio-editor-aviar... http://vimeo.com/8525101 http://vimeo.com/8525101 http://blog.soundseller.eu/2010/03/spectrum-visualization-with-the-html5-audio-data-api/ http://blog.soundseller.eu/2010/03/spectrum-visualization-wi...

PG-13 17y ago

The iPhone was huge because it was such a huge leap and unexpected departure from previous phones. It created awe and generated desire from the moment it was unveiled. It was obvious to those who get tech that the iPhone would be huge. People who underestimated the iPhone are now overcompensating by being bullish on the iPad because they fail to understand that these are not the same thing. The unveiling of the iPad did not engender any of the feelings of awe that iPhone's did. Apple unveiled the worst tablet device they possibly could have. It was completely predictable. Every usage we've seen of the iPad has involved someone contorting his body to accommodate the device. The iPhone offered a users things they didn't think were possible with a phone, and these were things they clearly wanted. The iPad offers users nothing they can't do using a laptop. It is an attempt at forcing a style of usage onto users that is clearly undesirable. People will try to hype this thing and pretend they like it for as long as possible, but one can only sustain a lie for so long. This will be the end of the aura that Apple has been building for the past decade. It is clear as night and day.

ZeroGravitas 17y ago
I don't know if it will be a hit or not, but I started becoming uncomfortable when the biggest touted "feature" in the keynote appeared to be the number of people's credit cards that Apple had on file. That didn't sound like a typical Steve "bicycle for the mind" Jobs thing to repeatedly dwell on. Certainly doesn't excite me as a gadget consumer.
- snom370 17y ago
  I watched the keynote and can't say that I heard it repeatedly dwelled upon. Where was it mentioned?
  - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
    Screenshot of slide: http://obamapacman.com/2010/01/official-steve-jobs-apple-ipad-keynote-video/90-24-over-125-million-itunes-accounts-with-credit-cards-ipad-keynote-official-steve-jobs-apple-ipad-keynote-video/ http://obamapacman.com/2010/01/official-steve-jobs-apple-ipa...