I agree that there are lots of variations on the themes of points 1 and 2 and that's a huge problem in trying to discuss this intelligently and dispassionately.

I agree that there are lots of variations on the themes of points 1 and 2 and that's a huge problem in trying to discuss this intelligently and dispassionately. On a personal note, I'm less interested in savings from point 2 than I am in a reduction in power and corruption (or at least corruptibility).