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My main point here is: The whole Western democratic world is more or less saying the same thing about Putin. You have answered two comments of mine without tou
by berntb 10y ago
My main point here is: The whole Western democratic world is more or less saying the same thing about Putin.
You have answered two comments of mine without touching that.
(Also -- check the democratic peace theory. USA don't start wars against democracies. Putin just don't want to have prosperous democracies as neighbours.)
And so on.
- dleslie 10y agoThe Americans absolutely overthrow Democratic governments[0]; they justify it by quibbling that perhaps the governments weren't the right kind of democracy. I do not take issue with the notion that Russia engages in propaganda, because they obviously do. I believe I've said as much in this thread. Whether or not I agree with your statement of the existence of a plurality of agreement among the "Western Democratic World" (why not all Democratic nations?), it is no matter. I would expect cooperation among the Five Eyes, for instance. 0: http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow/ http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of...
- berntb 10y agoAh, it was a mistake to mention anything else with you, even in parenthesis... You are not going to touch that the international community, not only US and Sweden, agree that Putin's Russia is much worse. (As you are certainly well aware of: The democratic peace theory discuss wars, not involvements in coups during the second "great game", that of the Cold War.) 4 comments (in 2 places) without touching my point... :-( You are not serious, bye.
- dleslie 10y agoI did touch it; I stated that it doesn't matter what the international community things. "Foo did something wrong." "Bar did the wrong thing as well." "So what, Quz, Qid and Qaz agree that Foo did something wrong." It doesn't matter what Quz, Qid and Qaz think. Plurality does not justify propaganda.
- berntb 10y agoI have not talked about the "international community", I talked about that the democratic countries agree, regarding Putin's propaganda. Elegant rewrite, by the way. And so on.
- dleslie 10y agoYou said Western Democracies agree; and I asked why not All Democracies, and stated that it doesn't matter who agrees. But I wonder, why do you reject non-Western Democracies?
- berntb 10y agoWhy do you care? You claim -- just like Putin's employees -- that there are no real differences between dictatorships and democracies anyway. And you won't touch if human rights, freedom, media freedom and so on are irrelevant... (The academic measurements of them are part of the conspiracy against Russia?) Edit: Enough. I'm not going to get my account banned over a 350 karma troll. Bait away, making more weird claims. :-)
- berntb 10y agoLet me put the simple point like this: Every country do something wrong. To go from "no country is perfect" to "all countries are equally bad" is Putin's propaganda position -- and the whole democratic world disagrees with your and Putin on this.
- dleslie 10y agoIt's not a competition; there is no objective yardstick by which to measure which country is worse. Both do wrong, and none can objectively say whether one does more wrong than the other. What we can do is call a spade a spade whenever we see one.
- berntb 10y ago>> there is no objective yardstick by which to measure which country is worse. That can't be intellectually honest. There are lots of metrics. E.g. human rights compliance, press freedom, number of murdered journalists in the country/year, freedom indexes and so on. Bye.