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>> Yes. Like including free X-Code with every single copy of OS X. You don't even have to download it: it is there on the DVD. Microsoft, since at least Window
by larrywright 17y ago
>> Yes. Like including free X-Code with every single copy of OS X. You don't even have to download it: it is there on the DVD.
Microsoft, since at least Windows XP (and perhaps before, I'm too lazy to look), hasn't shipped a programming language with their operating system. Apple ships what, 6 or 7? Python, Ruby, Perl, C, AppleScript, and probably a few others. Those don't require the $99 developer license at all. Apple is the only hacker-friendly PC and OS manufacturer remaining.
- SwellJoe 17y agoApple is the only hacker-friendly PC and OS manufacturer remaining. Every Linux distribution includes dozens of programming languages.
- larrywright 17y agoPlease note that I said "PC and OS manufacturer". As awesome as I think Linux is, it's not mainstream on the desktop yet. Of all the laptops/desktops that have a likelihood of reaching the kinds of people we're talking about here, Apple is the only one that is hacker friendly.
- nex3 17y agoWindows XP comes with at least VBScript and JScript ready-to-use for scripting.
- larrywright 17y agoI'll concede that, but scripting != developing your own application from scratch.
- larrywright 17y agoI'll concede that, but scripting != developing your own application from scratch.
- sriramk 17y agoWindows ships with the .NET framework which has the C# and VB compilers (and may have others - I'm not sure). This is not counting things like Powershell, Javascript, VBScript (all command line versions). For developer tools, VS Express has been free for over 5 years.
- smikhanov 17y agoWindows ships with the .NET framework, but not with SDK (i.e. with runtime only). You have to download SDK separately.
- kelnos 17y agoWe're not talking about what Apple ships with a desktop Mac. We're talking about what they don't ship with an iPad.