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Do you think it is any different in the USA or any other country for that matter? I don't know the answer but it stands to reason that if it works for the Russ

by bfuller 10y ago

Do you think it is any different in the USA or any other country for that matter? I don't know the answer but it stands to reason that if it works for the Russians it will work for the US aswell

rz2k 10y ago
Yes, it's different. Ask former classmates or relatives who went into journalism. You may hear they are reluctant to pursue some stories because they don't have enough proof to protect themselves against powerful people the stories could be construed to be slandering, but it's almost unheard of for western journalists to be worried about being assassinated at the rate journalists are assassinated in Russia and the territories it dominates. Watch talks given by Russian journalists before they were assassinated or after they fled. Even compare them to American journalists who died in uncertain circumstances, or whistle blowers like Edward Snowden. It's an entirely different ballgame.
- bfuller 10y ago
  I wish there was some way to get objective data on this subject. Maybe Russian journalists are indeed assassinated and western ones (mostly) aren't. But there are a lot of effective means of coercion that don't involve killing someone, and can actually turn them into an asset rather than a liability..
  - rz2k 10y ago
    It absolutely is not some abstract subject that can be summarily dismissed by saying its impossible to measure intimidation of journalists or that no one has perspective on the issue. Take a look at the exhaustive treatment by the Committee to Protect Journalists [1] of the different ways journalists are targeted and controlled around the world. For example, some like Saudi Arabia and China tend more towards censoring and jailing journalists. Compare the numbers to see the different types of attacks on journalists in different places around the world. Then read some of the short articles, or in depth reports. [1] https://www.cpj.org/ https://www.cpj.org/
golergka 10y ago
It only works when media have been monopolized. All media in Russia that have not enjoyed full government editorial control have debunked these stories quite spectacularly, but now they're almost non-existent. This would never work in a media world with a Daily Show, for once.

by bfuller 10y ago

Do you think it is any different in the USA or any other country for that matter? I don't know the answer but it stands to reason that if it works for the Russians it will work for the US aswell

rz2k 10y ago

Yes, it's different. Ask former classmates or relatives who went into journalism. You may hear they are reluctant to pursue some stories because they don't have enough proof to protect themselves against powerful people the stories could be construed to be slandering, but it's almost unheard of for western journalists to be worried about being assassinated at the rate journalists are assassinated in Russia and the territories it dominates. Watch talks given by Russian journalists before they were assassinated or after they fled. Even compare them to American journalists who died in uncertain circumstances, or whistle blowers like Edward Snowden. It's an entirely different ballgame.

bfuller 10y ago
I wish there was some way to get objective data on this subject. Maybe Russian journalists are indeed assassinated and western ones (mostly) aren't. But there are a lot of effective means of coercion that don't involve killing someone, and can actually turn them into an asset rather than a liability..
- rz2k 10y ago
  It absolutely is not some abstract subject that can be summarily dismissed by saying its impossible to measure intimidation of journalists or that no one has perspective on the issue. Take a look at the exhaustive treatment by the Committee to Protect Journalists [1] of the different ways journalists are targeted and controlled around the world. For example, some like Saudi Arabia and China tend more towards censoring and jailing journalists. Compare the numbers to see the different types of attacks on journalists in different places around the world. Then read some of the short articles, or in depth reports. [1] https://www.cpj.org/ https://www.cpj.org/

golergka 10y ago

It only works when media have been monopolized. All media in Russia that have not enjoyed full government editorial control have debunked these stories quite spectacularly, but now they're almost non-existent. This would never work in a media world with a Daily Show, for once.