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Couldn't agree more! When I go on a car trip I want it to be a long way away, and a long way from any thing. That's why most electric cars can't be my only ca

Couldn't agree more! When I go on a car trip I want it to be a long way away, and a long way from any thing. That's why most electric cars can't be my only car, and I don't want two cars either. For someone like me a plug-in hybrid like the Volt makes a lot more sense because I can drive it ten hours out into the desert when I want to. The only reason we're reaching a tipping point in the American car market is because families with two cars are so common. If you have two cars it makes perfect sense to have one that can go around your city, and another one that can go anywhere.

Retric 10y ago
Electric cars can do 800+ miles a day easily with sold charging infrastructure. Sure, if you want to do a cannon ball run rent a car, but 4 hours of driving, get lunch, another 4 hours of driving, take a 30 minute break, 2 hours of driving, dinner anther 4 hours of driving get some sleep. That's an extra 30 minute break for 14 hour road trip.
- honkhonkpants 10y ago
  There's only one car that can go 4 hours on a charge, and that's the Tesla S. If you charge it for 30 minutes, it can go about another 2.5 hours. My VW Golf TDI goes more than 750 miles on a tank at 65MPH. That's an entire days' driving for 5 minutes of fueling. Yes, the filthy Volkswageneers have to buy my car back, but it was certainly nice on the range.
  - Retric 10y ago
    While true, that range is from a 12,000$ battery pack which could be put in a 35,000$ car. So, really these cars don't have great range because they don't need to have great range.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    How far does a TDI travel on a tank when it's not cheating on its emissions?
- hammock 10y ago
  That's a lot of downtime. Most people I know, including myself, when doing a 14 hour roadtrip would stop as infrequently as possible, for a total of 30-60min over the course of the trip. And that figure is including pee break stops, which your calculation presumably didn't.
  - Retric 10y ago
    It's actually really dangerous to do that kind of driving without taking significant breaks on a regular basis. But, sure if you do this regularly enough you can't either rent a gas car or spend an extra hour or 2 then fine. However, nobody I knew has done a trip like that in the last decade.
    - tempestn 10y ago
      I think "really dangerous" is overstating it a bit. Driving while fatigued is dangerous, yes, but 14 hours with a 30-60 minute break is hardly that extreme, especially since we could be talking about road trips with multiple drivers.
      - Retric 10y ago
        It's a question of repetition not fatigue. People are just really bad at paying attention to limited stimulus. Swapping drivers every 4 hours or so is a good counter to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis. But again if you have multiple drivers you only need one car that takes gas.
Grishnakh 10y ago
>The only reason we're reaching a tipping point in the American car market is because families with two cars are so common. If you have two cars it makes perfect sense to have one that can go around your city, and another one that can go anywhere. This is exactly right, and I'm glad I finally see someone one these forums saying this. You're probably the first one. I find it rather sad that most people on a forum like this cannot conceive of this at all, presumably because they're all single.

Retric 10y ago

Electric cars can do 800+ miles a day easily with sold charging infrastructure. Sure, if you want to do a cannon ball run rent a car, but 4 hours of driving, get lunch, another 4 hours of driving, take a 30 minute break, 2 hours of driving, dinner anther 4 hours of driving get some sleep. That's an extra 30 minute break for 14 hour road trip.

honkhonkpants 10y ago
There's only one car that can go 4 hours on a charge, and that's the Tesla S. If you charge it for 30 minutes, it can go about another 2.5 hours. My VW Golf TDI goes more than 750 miles on a tank at 65MPH. That's an entire days' driving for 5 minutes of fueling. Yes, the filthy Volkswageneers have to buy my car back, but it was certainly nice on the range.
- Retric 10y ago
  While true, that range is from a 12,000$ battery pack which could be put in a 35,000$ car. So, really these cars don't have great range because they don't need to have great range.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  How far does a TDI travel on a tank when it's not cheating on its emissions?
hammock 10y ago
That's a lot of downtime. Most people I know, including myself, when doing a 14 hour roadtrip would stop as infrequently as possible, for a total of 30-60min over the course of the trip. And that figure is including pee break stops, which your calculation presumably didn't.
- Retric 10y ago
  It's actually really dangerous to do that kind of driving without taking significant breaks on a regular basis. But, sure if you do this regularly enough you can't either rent a gas car or spend an extra hour or 2 then fine. However, nobody I knew has done a trip like that in the last decade.
  - tempestn 10y ago
    I think "really dangerous" is overstating it a bit. Driving while fatigued is dangerous, yes, but 14 hours with a 30-60 minute break is hardly that extreme, especially since we could be talking about road trips with multiple drivers.
    - Retric 10y ago
      It's a question of repetition not fatigue. People are just really bad at paying attention to limited stimulus. Swapping drivers every 4 hours or so is a good counter to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis. But again if you have multiple drivers you only need one car that takes gas.

Grishnakh 10y ago

>The only reason we're reaching a tipping point in the American car market is because families with two cars are so common. If you have two cars it makes perfect sense to have one that can go around your city, and another one that can go anywhere. This is exactly right, and I'm glad I finally see someone one these forums saying this. You're probably the first one. I find it rather sad that most people on a forum like this cannot conceive of this at all, presumably because they're all single.