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> "Jazz has been doing much more ambitious things for decades now, it's scary to see how long it can take for "mainstream" to cacth up.." You are really missin

> "Jazz has been doing much more ambitious things for decades now, it's scary to see how long it can take for "mainstream" to cacth up.." You are really missing the point of music. Music isn't something that only reaches its pinnacle when it's at its most complex. Technical excellence isn't the high watermark of great music. The only thing that matters in music is how it makes you feel. Also, simplicity can be deceptive. Take a listen to this k.d. lang song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg Listen to how natural her vocal sounds, how well it fits the song and the lyrics, how she varies her vocals based on what she's singing. Skill with phrasing is the hardest to teach because it comes with musical awareness, but when you listen to someone with great phrasing it can bring a whole piece of music to life. So instead of talking about what music "should be", share what you enjoy, and not just what you enjoy on an intellectual level, what you enjoy for what it conjures within you. What music do you enjoy?

bsaul 10y ago
the "point" of music ? to me music is an art form,like painting. So you may say that the goal of painting is to have something pretty to put on your walls, which is indeed one way to look at it, but painters usually think of some higher goals. now, if pop music was vibrant and renewing itself constantly, i wouldn't have said anything, but as OP shows, it is kind of dying artisticaly..
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "but painters usually think of some higher goals." Whilst some artists may be satisfied with the concept itself being the artistic statement, the highest art is all about eliciting a emotional reaction from the viewer, otherwise what's the point of creating the painting? If you want to look at it from the point of view of skill, the hardest skill to master is to create art that can communicate to the viewer without explanation, where the reaction to the art is the experience, rather than the explanation of the art being the experience. The best visual art communicates something that you can't easily express with words. It's the same with music. > "now, if pop music was vibrant and renewing itself constantly, i wouldn't have said anything, but as OP shows, it is kind of dying artisticaly.." I've been listening to pop music long enough to be sure it's not dying in the way you describe, it moves in cycles. Trends rise in popularity, get played to death, and new trends arise. You see it all the time in pop music.

bsaul 10y ago

the "point" of music ? to me music is an art form,like painting. So you may say that the goal of painting is to have something pretty to put on your walls, which is indeed one way to look at it, but painters usually think of some higher goals. now, if pop music was vibrant and renewing itself constantly, i wouldn't have said anything, but as OP shows, it is kind of dying artisticaly..

ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "but painters usually think of some higher goals." Whilst some artists may be satisfied with the concept itself being the artistic statement, the highest art is all about eliciting a emotional reaction from the viewer, otherwise what's the point of creating the painting? If you want to look at it from the point of view of skill, the hardest skill to master is to create art that can communicate to the viewer without explanation, where the reaction to the art is the experience, rather than the explanation of the art being the experience. The best visual art communicates something that you can't easily express with words. It's the same with music. > "now, if pop music was vibrant and renewing itself constantly, i wouldn't have said anything, but as OP shows, it is kind of dying artisticaly.." I've been listening to pop music long enough to be sure it's not dying in the way you describe, it moves in cycles. Trends rise in popularity, get played to death, and new trends arise. You see it all the time in pop music.