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This is not the first time Gabriel has expressed anti-TTIP views (https://www.rt.com/news/344785-ttip-germany-bad-deal/ https://www.rt.com/news/344785-ttip-germ

by aleksei 10y ago

This is not the first time Gabriel has expressed anti-TTIP views (https://www.rt.com/news/344785-ttip-germany-bad-deal/ https://www.rt.com/news/344785-ttip-germany-bad-deal/). However, Merkel for example is for the deal, so it's hard to say what the outcome will be. A lot of local politicians want to push the deal through, but talks have stalled and there is some opposition from the public as well. Interesting to see the final outcome here. Hopefully the obviously bad can be stripped, while retaining any good.

lima 10y ago
> some opposition from the public TTIP is highly unpopular in Germany. In recent polls, 70% had unfavorable views about the treaty. I personally don't know anyone who isn't concerned about it. The concerns I've heard to far were about consumer protection and the investor-state-dispute thing.
- aleksei 10y ago
  Sure, but how many are willing to change their voting preferences or educate others about the dangers of TTIP? Many polls show people to be disgruntled by polticians, yet they keep electing the same people. And surely it was 70% of the people who took the poll and were consequently made aware of TTIP? I'm not saying there isn't opposition, most people I know are against it. But other people seem to not even know about it, or find it difficult to see why politicians would do something against their best interests.
  - samastur 10y ago
    I really dislike this argument. When I go to a polling booth, I don't get a list of issues where I could check my position on each one. What I get is one vote to select a person or party which across all issues I care about comes closest to a position I can (or have to) live with. I've yet to be in situation where I would be in agreement on every important issue with choices on offer. There are always multiple issues on which I have to compromise which doesn't mean they are not important. Individually they may be even at the top of my list, but can cumulatively still lose to others.
  - sliverstorm 10y ago
    Many polls show people to be disgruntled by polticians, yet they keep electing the same people. My senators are great, it's just the other 98 that I despise.
rurban 10y ago
Gabriel didn't state his anti-TTIP opinion, he made a simple observation that in all the opposing positions between the two sides nothing happened since 2014. If there's no deal, there will be no deal, simply as that.
- aleksei 10y ago
  "Sigmar Gabriel, who is also Germany's vice chancellor, compared the TTIP negotiations unfavorably with a free trade deal forged between the 28-nation EU and Canada, which he said was fairer for both sides."

by aleksei 10y ago

lima 10y ago

> some opposition from the public TTIP is highly unpopular in Germany. In recent polls, 70% had unfavorable views about the treaty. I personally don't know anyone who isn't concerned about it. The concerns I've heard to far were about consumer protection and the investor-state-dispute thing.

aleksei 10y ago
Sure, but how many are willing to change their voting preferences or educate others about the dangers of TTIP? Many polls show people to be disgruntled by polticians, yet they keep electing the same people. And surely it was 70% of the people who took the poll and were consequently made aware of TTIP? I'm not saying there isn't opposition, most people I know are against it. But other people seem to not even know about it, or find it difficult to see why politicians would do something against their best interests.
- samastur 10y ago
  I really dislike this argument. When I go to a polling booth, I don't get a list of issues where I could check my position on each one. What I get is one vote to select a person or party which across all issues I care about comes closest to a position I can (or have to) live with. I've yet to be in situation where I would be in agreement on every important issue with choices on offer. There are always multiple issues on which I have to compromise which doesn't mean they are not important. Individually they may be even at the top of my list, but can cumulatively still lose to others.
- sliverstorm 10y ago
  Many polls show people to be disgruntled by polticians, yet they keep electing the same people. My senators are great, it's just the other 98 that I despise.

rurban 10y ago

Gabriel didn't state his anti-TTIP opinion, he made a simple observation that in all the opposing positions between the two sides nothing happened since 2014. If there's no deal, there will be no deal, simply as that.

aleksei 10y ago
"Sigmar Gabriel, who is also Germany's vice chancellor, compared the TTIP negotiations unfavorably with a free trade deal forged between the 28-nation EU and Canada, which he said was fairer for both sides."