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> japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looki

> japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looking at the American manufacturers, America still does alright. For instance, in a list of the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2015 [1], yes, a Japanese car came in first, but a German car came in second and US took up the third and fourth spots.

mSparks 10y ago
yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
  - mSparks 10y ago
    If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
    - learc83 10y ago
      >Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, Detroit filing for bankruptcy has more to do with car manufacturing moving to southern, union free states and Mexico than it does with Japan.
      - mSparks 10y ago
        funny how americans blame the labour unions for the destruction of their car manufacturing. when the country and companies that forced that destruction have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan
        learc83 10y ago
        It's quite simple. Detroit was built on manufacturing jobs. Those jobs went to southern states and Mexico. They didn't go to Japan. The reason they went south is that labor was cheaper there because those states are unfriendly to unions. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm pretty pro union myself, but that's what happened. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact that the manufacturing jobs left Detroit for southern states and Mexico, not Japan.
    - WillPostForFood 10y ago
      Detroit is a city, not a car manufacturer it has its own set of problems. If GM/Ford/Chrysler filed bankruptcy, you'd have a point

mSparks 10y ago

yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...

WillPostForFood 10y ago
It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
- mSparks 10y ago
  If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
  - learc83 10y ago
    >Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, Detroit filing for bankruptcy has more to do with car manufacturing moving to southern, union free states and Mexico than it does with Japan.
    - mSparks 10y ago
      funny how americans blame the labour unions for the destruction of their car manufacturing. when the country and companies that forced that destruction have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan
      - learc83 10y ago
        It's quite simple. Detroit was built on manufacturing jobs. Those jobs went to southern states and Mexico. They didn't go to Japan. The reason they went south is that labor was cheaper there because those states are unfriendly to unions. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm pretty pro union myself, but that's what happened. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact that the manufacturing jobs left Detroit for southern states and Mexico, not Japan.
  - WillPostForFood 10y ago
    Detroit is a city, not a car manufacturer it has its own set of problems. If GM/Ford/Chrysler filed bankruptcy, you'd have a point