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well. japan destroyed us car manufacturing. and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. China seems to be picking at a de

by mSparks 10y ago

well. japan destroyed us car manufacturing. and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. China seems to be picking at a dead carcass tbh, not exactly much left to take. US is so scared of chinese tech advancement they have banned exports of high end intel chips there. but that hasnt stopped them taking all the top places of the worlds fastest supercomputers. As soon as a couple of Chinese unis overtake the ivy league colleges will there be anything left in the US except bones? would you even know whether they have already? perhaps you missed junes China maintained its No. 1 ranking on the 47th edition of the TOP500 list of the world’s top supercomputers, but with a new system built entirely using processors designed and made in China. Sunway TaihuLight is the new No. 1 system with 93 petaflop/s (quadrillions of calculations per second) on the LINPACK benchmark.

ahlatimer 10y ago
> japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looking at the American manufacturers, America still does alright. For instance, in a list of the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2015 [1], yes, a Japanese car came in first, but a German car came in second and US took up the third and fourth spots.
- mSparks 10y ago
  yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...
  - WillPostForFood 10y ago
    It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
    - mSparks 10y ago
      If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
      - learc83 10y ago
        >Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, Detroit filing for bankruptcy has more to do with car manufacturing moving to southern, union free states and Mexico than it does with Japan.
        mSparks 10y ago
        funny how americans blame the labour unions for the destruction of their car manufacturing. when the country and companies that forced that destruction have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan
        learc83 10y ago
        It's quite simple. Detroit was built on manufacturing jobs. Those jobs went to southern states and Mexico. They didn't go to Japan. The reason they went south is that labor was cheaper there because those states are unfriendly to unions. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm pretty pro union myself, but that's what happened. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact that the manufacturing jobs left Detroit for southern states and Mexico, not Japan.
      - WillPostForFood 10y ago
        Detroit is a city, not a car manufacturer it has its own set of problems. If GM/Ford/Chrysler filed bankruptcy, you'd have a point
porsupah 10y ago
> and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreign-arms-sales-reach-66-3-billion-in-2011.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreig... "Overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion last year, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market, valued at $85.3 billion in 2011. Russia was a distant second, with $4.8 billion in deals."
- mSparks 10y ago
  only if you pretend things like this http://news.sky.com/story/china-signs-russian-gas-deal-worth-400bn-10404469 http://news.sky.com/story/china-signs-russian-gas-deal-worth... were not part of a gas for weapons agreement. which it. well. was. then you have stuff like http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160217/1034893494/russia-iran-military-deals.html http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160217/1034893494/russia... the difference is. both china and russia sign deals "payment in kind" us signs deals where they get nothing but some of their debt paid off from other (broke) g8 countries. you know that's not sustainable for the us right?
  - learc83 10y ago
    China is paying Russia about a bit more than $10 billion a year for that deal. Even if some of that money is going for weapons, the US is still doing much more in total arms sales than Russia. I'm not sure why I bothered responding, because I'm sure you'll reply with something about how they are really paying much more than that under the table (even though no reputable news sources have reported on it). It's clear to reasonable people that neither the USSR, nor Japan destroyed the US economy. China will not destroy the US economy either. This fear of China is caused by inappropriately extrapolating current trends, i.e., China is growing at 7% per year, and this rate will continue unabated despite that fact that historically GDP growth rate always declines as a country becomes developed. As to your earlier assertions about super computers, those numbers are close to meaningless. The UAE has the world's tallest building, should we be afraid of that? If the UK wanted to build the world's fastest super computer, they could. If the US wanted to we could. It's just a dick measuring contest that is primarily a function of how much money a country currently wants to spend on building them. The only thing faster super computers prove is that they are simply worth more to China than they are to us. They are massively behind us in nuclear capability, so the ability to conduct simulated nuclear testing is more valuable to them. The PR win is also correspondingly more valuable to them.

by mSparks 10y ago

ahlatimer 10y ago

> japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looking at the American manufacturers, America still does alright. For instance, in a list of the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2015 [1], yes, a Japanese car came in first, but a German car came in second and US took up the third and fourth spots.

mSparks 10y ago
yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
  - mSparks 10y ago
    If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
    - learc83 10y ago
      >Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, Detroit filing for bankruptcy has more to do with car manufacturing moving to southern, union free states and Mexico than it does with Japan.
      - mSparks 10y ago
        funny how americans blame the labour unions for the destruction of their car manufacturing. when the country and companies that forced that destruction have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_Japan
        learc83 10y ago
        It's quite simple. Detroit was built on manufacturing jobs. Those jobs went to southern states and Mexico. They didn't go to Japan. The reason they went south is that labor was cheaper there because those states are unfriendly to unions. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm pretty pro union myself, but that's what happened. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's a fact that the manufacturing jobs left Detroit for southern states and Mexico, not Japan.
    - WillPostForFood 10y ago
      Detroit is a city, not a car manufacturer it has its own set of problems. If GM/Ford/Chrysler filed bankruptcy, you'd have a point

porsupah 10y ago

> and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreign-arms-sales-reach-66-3-billion-in-2011.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreig... "Overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion last year, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market, valued at $85.3 billion in 2011. Russia was a distant second, with $4.8 billion in deals."

mSparks 10y ago
only if you pretend things like this http://news.sky.com/story/china-signs-russian-gas-deal-worth-400bn-10404469 http://news.sky.com/story/china-signs-russian-gas-deal-worth... were not part of a gas for weapons agreement. which it. well. was. then you have stuff like http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160217/1034893494/russia-iran-military-deals.html http://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160217/1034893494/russia... the difference is. both china and russia sign deals "payment in kind" us signs deals where they get nothing but some of their debt paid off from other (broke) g8 countries. you know that's not sustainable for the us right?
- learc83 10y ago
  China is paying Russia about a bit more than $10 billion a year for that deal. Even if some of that money is going for weapons, the US is still doing much more in total arms sales than Russia. I'm not sure why I bothered responding, because I'm sure you'll reply with something about how they are really paying much more than that under the table (even though no reputable news sources have reported on it). It's clear to reasonable people that neither the USSR, nor Japan destroyed the US economy. China will not destroy the US economy either. This fear of China is caused by inappropriately extrapolating current trends, i.e., China is growing at 7% per year, and this rate will continue unabated despite that fact that historically GDP growth rate always declines as a country becomes developed. As to your earlier assertions about super computers, those numbers are close to meaningless. The UAE has the world's tallest building, should we be afraid of that? If the UK wanted to build the world's fastest super computer, they could. If the US wanted to we could. It's just a dick measuring contest that is primarily a function of how much money a country currently wants to spend on building them. The only thing faster super computers prove is that they are simply worth more to China than they are to us. They are massively behind us in nuclear capability, so the ability to conduct simulated nuclear testing is more valuable to them. The PR win is also correspondingly more valuable to them.