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Its not a mystery at all. China has tons of free world class education based purely on academic ability and a couple of billion people educated to a world class

by mSparks 10y ago

Its not a mystery at all. China has tons of free world class education based purely on academic ability and a couple of billion people educated to a world class standard. The US has virtually no education system, what does exist is expensive and not practically oriented. Basic supply and demand. US has high demand for skills and totally non competitive supply. (even in tech now, which is why they need the H1B visa thing) But dont expect it to get fixed. It's that way on purpose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98

learc83 10y ago
When I was in elementary school, we were warned that we'd have to start going to school on Saturday to keep up with Japan. Replace China with the USSR and your argument could be from the 1960s. Replace it with Japan and it could be from the early 90s. Do you see a trend here? Every few decades we have a new enemy that's going to destroy our economy. Business interests push these narratives to move students into fields that will drive down labor costs for their companies. H-1Bs exist for the same reason. Oh...and How many Americans enroll in Chinese Universities?
- mSparks 10y ago
  well. japan destroyed us car manufacturing. and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. China seems to be picking at a dead carcass tbh, not exactly much left to take. US is so scared of chinese tech advancement they have banned exports of high end intel chips there. but that hasnt stopped them taking all the top places of the worlds fastest supercomputers. As soon as a couple of Chinese unis overtake the ivy league colleges will there be anything left in the US except bones? would you even know whether they have already? perhaps you missed junes China maintained its No. 1 ranking on the 47th edition of the TOP500 list of the world’s top supercomputers, but with a new system built entirely using processors designed and made in China. Sunway TaihuLight is the new No. 1 system with 93 petaflop/s (quadrillions of calculations per second) on the LINPACK benchmark.
  - ahlatimer 10y ago
    > japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looking at the American manufacturers, America still does alright. For instance, in a list of the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2015 [1], yes, a Japanese car came in first, but a German car came in second and US took up the third and fourth spots.
    - mSparks 10y ago
      yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...
      - WillPostForFood 10y ago
        It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
        mSparks 10y ago
        If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
        learc83 10y ago

by mSparks 10y ago

learc83 10y ago

When I was in elementary school, we were warned that we'd have to start going to school on Saturday to keep up with Japan. Replace China with the USSR and your argument could be from the 1960s. Replace it with Japan and it could be from the early 90s. Do you see a trend here? Every few decades we have a new enemy that's going to destroy our economy. Business interests push these narratives to move students into fields that will drive down labor costs for their companies. H-1Bs exist for the same reason. Oh...and How many Americans enroll in Chinese Universities?

mSparks 10y ago
well. japan destroyed us car manufacturing. and the ussr. despite everything. destroyed us global military equipement sales. China seems to be picking at a dead carcass tbh, not exactly much left to take. US is so scared of chinese tech advancement they have banned exports of high end intel chips there. but that hasnt stopped them taking all the top places of the worlds fastest supercomputers. As soon as a couple of Chinese unis overtake the ivy league colleges will there be anything left in the US except bones? would you even know whether they have already? perhaps you missed junes China maintained its No. 1 ranking on the 47th edition of the TOP500 list of the world’s top supercomputers, but with a new system built entirely using processors designed and made in China. Sunway TaihuLight is the new No. 1 system with 93 petaflop/s (quadrillions of calculations per second) on the LINPACK benchmark.
- ahlatimer 10y ago
  > japan destroyed us car manufacturing. Hardly. Toyota and Honda both make cars in the US, which seems counter to saying they've destroyed it. Even just looking at the American manufacturers, America still does alright. For instance, in a list of the top 10 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2015 [1], yes, a Japanese car came in first, but a German car came in second and US took up the third and fourth spots.
  - mSparks 10y ago
    yeah. Detroit. still the booming global center of car manufacture it was in the 80s. Maybe if you close your eyes and click your heals together three times. Meanwhile. in the slightly more real world. http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timeline http://theweek.com/articles/461968/rise-fall-detroit-timelin...
    - WillPostForFood 10y ago
      It's a lot more complicated than that. If you were forced to buy a US manufactured car in in 1979, it was pretty much guaranteed it would be an ugly, unreliable piece of garbage. And Detroit had already been a mess for decades. In response to Japanese competition and investment, US auto manufacturing quality has completely turned around, and is vastly better than before Japan was a big presence in the US market.
      - mSparks 10y ago
        If it is such high quality now why did Detroit become the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy in 2013, even after the $17.4 billion bailout to GM and Chrysler in 2008? How is that "vastly better"? We're talking about production not the product. and that isnt complicated. Asian markets have an abundundant supply of highly skilled labour. western markets do not. furthermore. that isnt a surpise. its policy.
        learc83 10y ago