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>Singapore is similar. Tons of cabs. In fact in Singapore you could book cabs in an app / online since like 2009. You get told the number of your cab so when lo

>Singapore is similar. Tons of cabs. In fact in Singapore you could book cabs in an app / online since like 2009. You get told the number of your cab so when lots of cabs are driving up you know yours is #27B-6. I had similarly nice experiences. I tried to tip a driver $3 for a $7 fare just so I could give him a $10 and he was like "too much lah!" and gave me $2 back. Singapore's cheapness is due to its extreme levels of labor suppression. A couple of years ago they imprisoned bus drivers striking over unfair pay (they essentially had explicitly racist pay scales * ). They've deported and imprisoned other union activists. In the 80s the prime minister stepped in to break a strike in Singapore Airlines staff promising "I will, by every means at my disposal, teach you a lesson you won’t forget. And I’m prepared to start all over again. Or stop it!" and subsequently threw the strikers in prison. The practical upshot if this is that they have huge income and wealth inequality compared to other countries less brutal to labor movements and the workplace cultures are usually "keep your head down and don't EVER criticize the boss" (small wonder very little decent software is created there). Food and taxis and other similar services are embarrassingly cheap. If you're relatively wealthy and gaping inequality doesn't bother you, it's pretty awesome. It scores really high on those "economic freedom" measures because of this. This is also partly why Uber - whose USP involves is capitalizing on other countries trending towards low wage commoditization by accelerating that process, isn't doing especially well there compared to incumbents. * * Yes, it's true. Please read this before instinctively hitting downvote: http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/05/singapore-drop-charges-against-bus-strike-leaders http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/05/singapore-drop-charges-ag...

SamReidHughes 10y ago
> (they essentially had explicitly racist pay scales * ) Wrong. You're talking about Chinese-national bus drivers getting paid less in a country that's 75% Chinese ancestry.
- crdoconnor 10y ago
  In Singapore the 'racial' hierarchy is: Chinese Singaporean -> White -> Malay Singaporean -> Indian Singaporean -> Malaysian -> PRC Chinese -> Bangladeshi The bus driver salary hierarchy was : Singaporean -> Malaysian -> PRC Chinese PRCs are regularly denigrated with terms like "foreign trash" and "PRC scum" - they get the epithets much worse than most other immigrants - with the exception of Bangladeshis. I don't know why they look down on them with disdain given their shared ancestry but they do. If you want to see this racism for yourself, look at the comments of a website called 'stomp'. In any case, the salaries accurately reflected the default prejudices of the society. It would be like if American bus drivers paid whites more than latinos who in turn got more than blacks. They went on strike because of this and got beaten up and thrown in prison before being deported.
  - SamReidHughes 10y ago
    The salaries also reflect the negotiating power of people from somewhat poorer and much poorer countries. If they decided to lower Malaysian and Singaporean bus drivers to the same level as PRC, there wouldn't be any Malaysian or Singaporean bus drivers. The pricing of labor is exactly what you'd expect from economic and political incentives: don't lay off native labor, source foreign labor from multiple countries so they can't form a powerful union bloc, pay as little as possible.
    - crdoconnor 10y ago
      >The salaries also reflect the negotiating power Right. And the 0 compensation of slaves before emancipation in the United States reflected their relative negotiating power. >The pricing of labor is exactly what you'd expect from economic and political incentives Right. If you get the police to beat up union organizers and throw them in prison it does tend to exert downward pressure on wages - which was exactly my point. That's partly why it's the "2nd best country" to do business according to CATO: docile, servile labor.
      - SamReidHughes 10y ago
        Note that the only disagreement I have here (that I felt like articulating) is that the pay scales are "racist." Though I do want to point out that prohibiting unions from forming based on racial or country-of-origin lines is obviously a very reasonable thing for a country like Singapore to do. And so is prohibiting strikes without notice, or strikes, period, in essential sectors -- if you don't like it, go work in a non-essential sector.

SamReidHughes 10y ago

> (they essentially had explicitly racist pay scales * ) Wrong. You're talking about Chinese-national bus drivers getting paid less in a country that's 75% Chinese ancestry.

crdoconnor 10y ago
In Singapore the 'racial' hierarchy is: Chinese Singaporean -> White -> Malay Singaporean -> Indian Singaporean -> Malaysian -> PRC Chinese -> Bangladeshi The bus driver salary hierarchy was : Singaporean -> Malaysian -> PRC Chinese PRCs are regularly denigrated with terms like "foreign trash" and "PRC scum" - they get the epithets much worse than most other immigrants - with the exception of Bangladeshis. I don't know why they look down on them with disdain given their shared ancestry but they do. If you want to see this racism for yourself, look at the comments of a website called 'stomp'. In any case, the salaries accurately reflected the default prejudices of the society. It would be like if American bus drivers paid whites more than latinos who in turn got more than blacks. They went on strike because of this and got beaten up and thrown in prison before being deported.
- SamReidHughes 10y ago
  The salaries also reflect the negotiating power of people from somewhat poorer and much poorer countries. If they decided to lower Malaysian and Singaporean bus drivers to the same level as PRC, there wouldn't be any Malaysian or Singaporean bus drivers. The pricing of labor is exactly what you'd expect from economic and political incentives: don't lay off native labor, source foreign labor from multiple countries so they can't form a powerful union bloc, pay as little as possible.
  - crdoconnor 10y ago
    >The salaries also reflect the negotiating power Right. And the 0 compensation of slaves before emancipation in the United States reflected their relative negotiating power. >The pricing of labor is exactly what you'd expect from economic and political incentives Right. If you get the police to beat up union organizers and throw them in prison it does tend to exert downward pressure on wages - which was exactly my point. That's partly why it's the "2nd best country" to do business according to CATO: docile, servile labor.
    - SamReidHughes 10y ago
      Note that the only disagreement I have here (that I felt like articulating) is that the pay scales are "racist." Though I do want to point out that prohibiting unions from forming based on racial or country-of-origin lines is obviously a very reasonable thing for a country like Singapore to do. And so is prohibiting strikes without notice, or strikes, period, in essential sectors -- if you don't like it, go work in a non-essential sector.