5 ms·

I particularly liked the use of the opposite statement in Fargo[0] despite it not being a true story. This is a true story. The events depicted in this film to

I particularly liked the use of the opposite statement in Fargo[0] despite it not being a true story. This is a true story. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred. Which was later used in the Fargo TV series[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(film)#Factual_vs._fictional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(film)#Factual_vs._ficti... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_%28TV_series%29#.22This_is_a_true_story.22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_%28TV_series%29#.22This_...

aaron695 10y ago
I like specifically in one interview someone recalling telling them they can't say it's a true story if it's not. They replied "Why not" They were fk you to an audience used to watching fiction under certain rules and they were quite happy to break that.
- dalke 10y ago
  "The Amityville Horror: A True Story" was nearly all fiction. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp I remember as a kid seeing the "nonfiction" on the spine of the book cover, and thinking that mean it was a true story, rather than the reality that it was marketing spin.
  - abritinthebay 10y ago
    Well... the family claimed it was true for decades (especially the father). Granted mostly for money, but there is some grey there.
    - dalke 10y ago
      Is that grey area enough to call a book a piece of non-fiction? I don't think so.
      - sokoloff 10y ago
        Is the Bible sold as non-fiction? Seems like many of the same logical points apply.
        dalke 10y ago
        It would be nice if you said what the grey area is. Quoting Snopes: > The truth behind The Amityville Horror was finally revealed when Butch DeFeo's lawyer, William Weber, admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, "created this horror story over many bottles of wine." The house was never really haunted; the horrific experiences they had claimed were simply made up. Jay Anson further embellished the tale for his book, and by the time the film's screenwriters had adapted it, any grains of truth that might have been there were long gone. Here we have a co-creator of the story specifically saying that it was not real. We don't have that for the Bible. It doesn't mater if many of the same logical points apply when one rather big logical point doesn't apply. In any case, many works of fiction, like Aesop's Fables, are classified as non-fiction. My belief that "non-fiction" means it actually happened was wrong.
      - abritinthebay 10y ago
        In the sense that the author and the subjects claim it are non-fiction - yes, quite enough. For people to approach it non-skeptically, no - not at all. It's like that rubbish about the child that had visions of heaven or whatever while in hospital, they even made a "based on the true story" movie of it, and it was listed as non-fiction. Non-fiction doesn't actually mean "factual", technically...
- jessriedel 10y ago
  Yes, how provincial and constraining are those rules about not lying!
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    What "rules about not lying"? Movies are entertainment. Most of them are based on lies, regardless of what it says at the beginning or in the credits. Actors are professional liars. Hollywood thrives in fiction; story and tropes.
    - jessriedel 10y ago
      Lies are distinguished from fiction by the intention to deceive about the real world, as opposed to counterfactual imagining.
      - oldmanjay 10y ago
        Given that, what point were you making?
        harryjo 10y ago
        The point is, lying is bad, it rips the fabric of society. Fiction is not lying, it is useful, contextualized nontruth.
        toomuchtodo 10y ago
        Lies are the lubrication of society; you're lied to anywhere between 9-200 times a day.
        PhasmaFelis 10y ago
        I see what you did there.
        sverige 10y ago
enqk 10y ago
Which led to also to this strange story of fiction and truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_(office_worker) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_(office_worker)
js2 10y ago
Related to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumiko,_the_Treasure_Hunter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumiko,_the_Treasure_Hunter
glennsl 10y ago
Also used for effect in the 1969 greek-french-algerian political thriler "Z"[0]: "Any resemblance to real events, or to people, alive or dead, is no coincidence. It is INTENTIONAL." But this one actually is based on a true story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(1969_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(1969_film)

aaron695 10y ago

I like specifically in one interview someone recalling telling them they can't say it's a true story if it's not. They replied "Why not" They were fk you to an audience used to watching fiction under certain rules and they were quite happy to break that.

dalke 10y ago
"The Amityville Horror: A True Story" was nearly all fiction. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp I remember as a kid seeing the "nonfiction" on the spine of the book cover, and thinking that mean it was a true story, rather than the reality that it was marketing spin.
- abritinthebay 10y ago
  Well... the family claimed it was true for decades (especially the father). Granted mostly for money, but there is some grey there.
  - dalke 10y ago
    Is that grey area enough to call a book a piece of non-fiction? I don't think so.
    - sokoloff 10y ago
      Is the Bible sold as non-fiction? Seems like many of the same logical points apply.
      - dalke 10y ago
        It would be nice if you said what the grey area is. Quoting Snopes: > The truth behind The Amityville Horror was finally revealed when Butch DeFeo's lawyer, William Weber, admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, "created this horror story over many bottles of wine." The house was never really haunted; the horrific experiences they had claimed were simply made up. Jay Anson further embellished the tale for his book, and by the time the film's screenwriters had adapted it, any grains of truth that might have been there were long gone. Here we have a co-creator of the story specifically saying that it was not real. We don't have that for the Bible. It doesn't mater if many of the same logical points apply when one rather big logical point doesn't apply. In any case, many works of fiction, like Aesop's Fables, are classified as non-fiction. My belief that "non-fiction" means it actually happened was wrong.
    - abritinthebay 10y ago
      In the sense that the author and the subjects claim it are non-fiction - yes, quite enough. For people to approach it non-skeptically, no - not at all. It's like that rubbish about the child that had visions of heaven or whatever while in hospital, they even made a "based on the true story" movie of it, and it was listed as non-fiction. Non-fiction doesn't actually mean "factual", technically...
jessriedel 10y ago
Yes, how provincial and constraining are those rules about not lying!
- scrollaway 10y ago
  What "rules about not lying"? Movies are entertainment. Most of them are based on lies, regardless of what it says at the beginning or in the credits. Actors are professional liars. Hollywood thrives in fiction; story and tropes.
  - jessriedel 10y ago
    Lies are distinguished from fiction by the intention to deceive about the real world, as opposed to counterfactual imagining.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      Given that, what point were you making?
      - harryjo 10y ago
        The point is, lying is bad, it rips the fabric of society. Fiction is not lying, it is useful, contextualized nontruth.
        toomuchtodo 10y ago
        Lies are the lubrication of society; you're lied to anywhere between 9-200 times a day.
        PhasmaFelis 10y ago
        I see what you did there.
        sverige 10y ago

enqk 10y ago

Which led to also to this strange story of fiction and truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_(office_worker) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_(office_worker)

js2 10y ago

Related to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumiko,_the_Treasure_Hunter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumiko,_the_Treasure_Hunter

glennsl 10y ago

Also used for effect in the 1969 greek-french-algerian political thriler "Z"[0]: "Any resemblance to real events, or to people, alive or dead, is no coincidence. It is INTENTIONAL." But this one actually is based on a true story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(1969_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(1969_film)