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Inside the German version there is a test for biases against Western or Eastern Germany. I knew that I had a bias, but I was surprised that I found it that diff

Inside the German version there is a test for biases against Western or Eastern Germany. I knew that I had a bias, but I was surprised that I found it that difficult when moving a bunch of Eastern German cities to one group to associate negative things to the group with the Western German cities. The test might not be totally fair, though. Is it actually a bias if it is based on facts? Soviet architecture, higher unemployment, high rate of extremism, lower buying power, less people, people moving to the West, the list goes on and on. I think stereotypes and preconceived notions are bad most of the time, but I see no reason to get rid of the ones that are actually true for political correctness.

Mithaldu 10y ago
What is the german version of nextdoor? I've never heard of such a thing.
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- Jarwain 10y ago
  I think he's referring to the german version of the implicit association test
awl130 10y ago
the test is fair if the goal of reducing racial bias is not to reduce crime but to achieve a more integrated society. in the long term, if such a policy contributes to a more integrated society, then more crime in the short term is deemed an unfortunate but necessary sacrifice. this is, in essence, the implication of such social pressure.
int_19h 10y ago
The test is totally fair in a sense that it does detect bias. What you're actually saying is that the bias itself is fair. Now, normally, it would depend on whether the facts that you're citing are true and relevant or not. I don't know enough to judge that. But secondly, even if the group bias is fair, it's still problematic when you apply it to a specific person. They do not necessarily have to be representative of their group average, and you owe at least giving them a shot to demonstrate that.
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  > The test is totally fair in a sense that it does detect bias. What you're actually saying is that the bias itself is fair. Sure, phrased that a bit wrong. > But secondly, even if the group bias is fair, it's still problematic when you apply it to a specific person. The test was just about associating cities with words, I do not think you can say anything about persons or specific persons alone from that information.
  - int_19h 10y ago
    That is also true. But tests like these do make a point that many of the things that happen in our mind are not the things that we are aware of. I mean, if those people who passed the test were asked in advance whether they'd be grouping based on any particular trait, or even specifically asked about the trait they grouped by, I doubt that many of them would believe that it would work out the way it did. It's not a far stretch to assume that snap judgments of other people in course of day-to-day life can be similarly affected, and at least self-check against the possibility.

Mithaldu 10y ago

What is the german version of nextdoor? I've never heard of such a thing.

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Jarwain 10y ago
I think he's referring to the german version of the implicit association test

awl130 10y ago

the test is fair if the goal of reducing racial bias is not to reduce crime but to achieve a more integrated society. in the long term, if such a policy contributes to a more integrated society, then more crime in the short term is deemed an unfortunate but necessary sacrifice. this is, in essence, the implication of such social pressure.

int_19h 10y ago

The test is totally fair in a sense that it does detect bias. What you're actually saying is that the bias itself is fair. Now, normally, it would depend on whether the facts that you're citing are true and relevant or not. I don't know enough to judge that. But secondly, even if the group bias is fair, it's still problematic when you apply it to a specific person. They do not necessarily have to be representative of their group average, and you owe at least giving them a shot to demonstrate that.

allendoerfer 10y ago
> The test is totally fair in a sense that it does detect bias. What you're actually saying is that the bias itself is fair. Sure, phrased that a bit wrong. > But secondly, even if the group bias is fair, it's still problematic when you apply it to a specific person. The test was just about associating cities with words, I do not think you can say anything about persons or specific persons alone from that information.
- int_19h 10y ago
  That is also true. But tests like these do make a point that many of the things that happen in our mind are not the things that we are aware of. I mean, if those people who passed the test were asked in advance whether they'd be grouping based on any particular trait, or even specifically asked about the trait they grouped by, I doubt that many of them would believe that it would work out the way it did. It's not a far stretch to assume that snap judgments of other people in course of day-to-day life can be similarly affected, and at least self-check against the possibility.