I would argue there's a grey area between the 'view' and the 'controller', but not the 'model' and the 'view'. The model is logic and data and has absolutely n

I would argue there's a grey area between the 'view' and the 'controller', but not the 'model' and the 'view'. The model is logic and data and has absolutely nothing to do with presentation. But, I will concede there are 1001 ways to interpret these patterns (MV*).