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This is sort of apples and oranges argument, but if you want to look into it from the domain of burglary perspective then you can see that burglary interferes w

by elcct 10y ago

This is sort of apples and oranges argument, but if you want to look into it from the domain of burglary perspective then you can see that burglary interferes with property that you don't own, whereas taking drugs interferes with your own body - your property. Unless you accept that you can punish people for using their property the way they want, the burglary argument has no basis.

jsymolon 10y ago
> punish people for using their property the way they want ... Take a step back and look at the big picture. "No man is an island" which in this case is, one's actions affect other people. I'm all for recreational use of drugs, alcohol being mine, however, driving drunk doesn't only affect myself, it affects everyone around me. Moderate use (of many drugs) probably doesn't affect that many people to an extent that it's a problem. On the other hand, look at the effects of Krocodile (don't look at images if you have a weak stomach), you can't tell me that that drug has no affects on Society. Therefore, some drugs shouldn't be available without heavy restrictions.
- kefka 10y ago
  The US has never had an issue poisoning and killing drug users wholesale. We only have to look at the disaster of the Prohibition, and federal agents poisoning alcohol with methanol. People died. A lot of them. And those poisoning murders were done by the precursors of the DEA.
- JohnicBoom 10y ago
  Krokodil is essentially just a shitty home recipe for turning codeine into desomorphine. If one did it properly, and filtered out impurities and solvents, the desomorphine would be fine to use/sell in stores. It's not the active drug that's dangerous, it's the contaminants left over from uneducated people making it in the slums of Russia that are dangerous.
- elcct 10y ago
  > Therefore, some drugs shouldn't be available without heavy restrictions. In ideal world, yes. But in reality this is not possible, because people will always find a way to get substances they like to use or abuse.
Clanan 10y ago
Drugs also have a large societal impact, apart from the personal body impact. When one or two people are addicted, it's largely "their" problem. But when a larger number of people are addicted, it can have a huge effect on the local economy, society, etc. There are some recent articles that profile small towns undergoing this issue. (No idea if this relates to the burglary analogy, but I thought it would be a helpful point.)
rabidrat 10y ago
We have had laws against both suicide and abortion.

by elcct 10y ago

jsymolon 10y ago

> punish people for using their property the way they want ... Take a step back and look at the big picture. "No man is an island" which in this case is, one's actions affect other people. I'm all for recreational use of drugs, alcohol being mine, however, driving drunk doesn't only affect myself, it affects everyone around me. Moderate use (of many drugs) probably doesn't affect that many people to an extent that it's a problem. On the other hand, look at the effects of Krocodile (don't look at images if you have a weak stomach), you can't tell me that that drug has no affects on Society. Therefore, some drugs shouldn't be available without heavy restrictions.

kefka 10y ago
The US has never had an issue poisoning and killing drug users wholesale. We only have to look at the disaster of the Prohibition, and federal agents poisoning alcohol with methanol. People died. A lot of them. And those poisoning murders were done by the precursors of the DEA.
JohnicBoom 10y ago
Krokodil is essentially just a shitty home recipe for turning codeine into desomorphine. If one did it properly, and filtered out impurities and solvents, the desomorphine would be fine to use/sell in stores. It's not the active drug that's dangerous, it's the contaminants left over from uneducated people making it in the slums of Russia that are dangerous.
elcct 10y ago
> Therefore, some drugs shouldn't be available without heavy restrictions. In ideal world, yes. But in reality this is not possible, because people will always find a way to get substances they like to use or abuse.

Clanan 10y ago

Drugs also have a large societal impact, apart from the personal body impact. When one or two people are addicted, it's largely "their" problem. But when a larger number of people are addicted, it can have a huge effect on the local economy, society, etc. There are some recent articles that profile small towns undergoing this issue. (No idea if this relates to the burglary analogy, but I thought it would be a helpful point.)

rabidrat 10y ago

We have had laws against both suicide and abortion.