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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that's not exactly what they're doing ;) Given what is becoming more apparent about the NSA on a day by day basis, an

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that's not exactly what they're doing ;) Given what is becoming more apparent about the NSA on a day by day basis, anything you can think might be being done but write it off as needless paranoia is probably exactly what's being done... because "you're just being paranoid, we'd never do that to millions of innocent Americans." Yet somehow...

tptacek 10y ago
That's an understandable feeling to have, but you see how it sort of sucks all the oxygen out of any discussion you might have about issues or policy.
- balabaster 10y ago
  Sure... the underlying cause though isn't because of policy or issues though, it's trust in the agencies creating the policies, mandating them and enforcing them. If we trusted them to adequately safeguard our information, and not to misuse it, then none of this would be an issue. But they've broken trust many times over and once that horse has bolted, you can't just close the stable door and expect people to just trust you again - especially not when you keep getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar, get caught lying about it or using smoke and mirrors to sidestep the consequences and then coming back and saying don't worry, not only can we be trusted with the cookie jar, but we must be the ones safeguarding you from the cookies because they make you fat. So it's for the good of everyone. Meanwhile, they're just sitting their eating the cookies. It's always a land grab for more cookies. You wouldn't trust your six year old with that kind of behavior, you certainly shouldn't trust a Government agency that acts the same way.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    This is a fine argument for not allowing NSA to help design things like key escrow, or to prevent them from involving themselves in crypto standards development. I'm not sure how it bears on vulnerability disclosure. NSA discovering and stockpiling vulnerabilities shouldn't impact other organizations discovering and then disclosing vulnerabilities.
    - balabaster 10y ago
      > NSA discovering and stockpiling vulnerabilities shouldn't impact other organizations discovering and then disclosing vulnerabilities. I absolutely agree

tptacek 10y ago

That's an understandable feeling to have, but you see how it sort of sucks all the oxygen out of any discussion you might have about issues or policy.

balabaster 10y ago
Sure... the underlying cause though isn't because of policy or issues though, it's trust in the agencies creating the policies, mandating them and enforcing them. If we trusted them to adequately safeguard our information, and not to misuse it, then none of this would be an issue. But they've broken trust many times over and once that horse has bolted, you can't just close the stable door and expect people to just trust you again - especially not when you keep getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar, get caught lying about it or using smoke and mirrors to sidestep the consequences and then coming back and saying don't worry, not only can we be trusted with the cookie jar, but we must be the ones safeguarding you from the cookies because they make you fat. So it's for the good of everyone. Meanwhile, they're just sitting their eating the cookies. It's always a land grab for more cookies. You wouldn't trust your six year old with that kind of behavior, you certainly shouldn't trust a Government agency that acts the same way.
- tptacek 10y ago
  This is a fine argument for not allowing NSA to help design things like key escrow, or to prevent them from involving themselves in crypto standards development. I'm not sure how it bears on vulnerability disclosure. NSA discovering and stockpiling vulnerabilities shouldn't impact other organizations discovering and then disclosing vulnerabilities.
  - balabaster 10y ago
    > NSA discovering and stockpiling vulnerabilities shouldn't impact other organizations discovering and then disclosing vulnerabilities. I absolutely agree