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Sooo he did not talk terms, he did not sign anything, and now he is complaining? Sad to break it to you buddy, but the real world is not fair game, and you got

by scient 10y ago

Sooo he did not talk terms, he did not sign anything, and now he is complaining? Sad to break it to you buddy, but the real world is not fair game, and you got played.

balabaster 10y ago
and you're victim blaming. He already learned this lesson. He doesn't need it pointed out that it's his own fault. By the tone you take with your statement, you're saying it's okay to exploit people this way. It's not. Period.
UK-AL 10y ago
I think a lot of the small startups, if you start talking legal, signing things, creating contracts etc will get scared or annoyed that your taking control. Maybe that's a sign not to join though.
- balabaster 10y ago
  A lot of them do get this way, and it is a sign not to join. Unfortunately, when enough people wriggle, the founders get their act together and stop behaving that way when they really know they need someone and can't do it alone... by which time, they get someone else that didn't have to fight to get things done right and you missed out because the timing was wrong. So it's a bit of a double edged sword in that respect.
- caseysoftware 10y ago
  But you have to. In many countries, the copyright sticks with the author unless there's an agreement that says otherwise. Normally, that is part of an employment or consulting agreement. Further, if he was an employee, in many countries, it's illegal to work for free or "defer" pay until there's cash in hand. And it sounds unlikely he was a contractor as there is no mention of invoicing or similar. Getting rights and responsibilities in writing protects everyone involved. And do it before cash and emotions are involved.
- mikestew 10y ago
  You mean the (often) same company that will insist that you sign an NDA lest you steal their ground-breaking, change-the-world idea?

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Sooo he did not talk terms, he did not sign anything, and now he is complaining? Sad to break it to you buddy, but the real world is not fair game, and you got

by scient 10y ago

Sooo he did not talk terms, he did not sign anything, and now he is complaining? Sad to break it to you buddy, but the real world is not fair game, and you got played.

balabaster 10y ago
and you're victim blaming. He already learned this lesson. He doesn't need it pointed out that it's his own fault. By the tone you take with your statement, you're saying it's okay to exploit people this way. It's not. Period.
UK-AL 10y ago
I think a lot of the small startups, if you start talking legal, signing things, creating contracts etc will get scared or annoyed that your taking control. Maybe that's a sign not to join though.
- balabaster 10y ago
  A lot of them do get this way, and it is a sign not to join. Unfortunately, when enough people wriggle, the founders get their act together and stop behaving that way when they really know they need someone and can't do it alone... by which time, they get someone else that didn't have to fight to get things done right and you missed out because the timing was wrong. So it's a bit of a double edged sword in that respect.
- caseysoftware 10y ago
  But you have to. In many countries, the copyright sticks with the author unless there's an agreement that says otherwise. Normally, that is part of an employment or consulting agreement. Further, if he was an employee, in many countries, it's illegal to work for free or "defer" pay until there's cash in hand. And it sounds unlikely he was a contractor as there is no mention of invoicing or similar. Getting rights and responsibilities in writing protects everyone involved. And do it before cash and emotions are involved.
- mikestew 10y ago
  You mean the (often) same company that will insist that you sign an NDA lest you steal their ground-breaking, change-the-world idea?