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Docker team, please focus on one thing - packing apps to containers. Leave everything else to other projects, don't try to do everything wrong, just do one thin

by systemz 10y ago

Docker team, please focus on one thing - packing apps to containers. Leave everything else to other projects, don't try to do everything wrong, just do one thing good. Thank you.

sjellis 10y ago
The problem is that they literally can't do that - Docker Inc. took a huge pile of VC money, and containerization is a commodity feature. To succeed they have to build higher-level products and services, which put them in direct competition with the other vendors in the ecosystem.
- adamc 10y ago
  Sounds like a high-risk ploy. Then again, VC money.
  - sjellis 10y ago
    What annoys me about it is that it requires everyone else to lose for Docker Inc. to win. It's rather like if Linus invented Git, then formed a VC-backed company on the back of it, and then tried to figure out how to extract enough money from the ecosystem so that Git, Inc. could be flipped or IPO'ed for a really big pile of cash.
    - corford 10y ago
      Agree strongly. I think they will lose this fight which is why I've stayed out of the docker race and am currently pinning my hopes on k8s + rkt.
- dominotw 10y ago
  >To succeed they have to build higher-level products and services I wish they didn't have to cram it all into single product docker though.
  - illumin8 10y ago
    Great point - it would be nice if they separated out their monetization products (Swarm, Docker Datacenter, etc) from the core Docker engine. There is plenty of money to be made from enterprise customers who will want the security features of Docker Datacenter, or support for Swarm, without bundling your orchestration layer with the container runtime engine. This type of bundling reminds me of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows. Initially, IE was much worse than Netscape, and this seems like roughly the same thing - monopoly in one market bundling an inferior product to try and achieve a monopoly in another somewhat related market.
- hinkley 10y ago
  If they didn't at least try to have a complete solution, someone else would package docker as one part of a turnkey solution and they would get stuck with all the maintenance costs and none of the consulting fees. Complicit in their own destruction.
  - jacques_chester 10y ago
    > someone else would package docker as one part of a turnkey solution Indeed, Red Hat have done exactly that with OpenShift 3. Disclosure: I work on Cloud Foundry for Pivotal, ostensibly a competing project/product.

by systemz 10y ago

Docker team, please focus on one thing - packing apps to containers. Leave everything else to other projects, don't try to do everything wrong, just do one thing good. Thank you.

sjellis 10y ago

The problem is that they literally can't do that - Docker Inc. took a huge pile of VC money, and containerization is a commodity feature. To succeed they have to build higher-level products and services, which put them in direct competition with the other vendors in the ecosystem.

adamc 10y ago
Sounds like a high-risk ploy. Then again, VC money.
- sjellis 10y ago
  What annoys me about it is that it requires everyone else to lose for Docker Inc. to win. It's rather like if Linus invented Git, then formed a VC-backed company on the back of it, and then tried to figure out how to extract enough money from the ecosystem so that Git, Inc. could be flipped or IPO'ed for a really big pile of cash.
  - corford 10y ago
    Agree strongly. I think they will lose this fight which is why I've stayed out of the docker race and am currently pinning my hopes on k8s + rkt.
dominotw 10y ago
>To succeed they have to build higher-level products and services I wish they didn't have to cram it all into single product docker though.
- illumin8 10y ago
  Great point - it would be nice if they separated out their monetization products (Swarm, Docker Datacenter, etc) from the core Docker engine. There is plenty of money to be made from enterprise customers who will want the security features of Docker Datacenter, or support for Swarm, without bundling your orchestration layer with the container runtime engine. This type of bundling reminds me of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows. Initially, IE was much worse than Netscape, and this seems like roughly the same thing - monopoly in one market bundling an inferior product to try and achieve a monopoly in another somewhat related market.
hinkley 10y ago
If they didn't at least try to have a complete solution, someone else would package docker as one part of a turnkey solution and they would get stuck with all the maintenance costs and none of the consulting fees. Complicit in their own destruction.
- jacques_chester 10y ago
  > someone else would package docker as one part of a turnkey solution Indeed, Red Hat have done exactly that with OpenShift 3. Disclosure: I work on Cloud Foundry for Pivotal, ostensibly a competing project/product.