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Graduation rates at non profit schools are appalling. University of Pheonix routinely graduates less than 20% of its students within six years. Even if all of t

Graduation rates at non profit schools are appalling. University of Pheonix routinely graduates less than 20% of its students within six years. Even if all of the benefit is signaling, which I disagree with, the students at many for profit institutions aren't even getting that benefit.

nickff 10y ago
Many state colleges have low 6 year graduation rates too (as they vary widely), should they be shut down too? Is there any reason 25% or 30% are unacceptable, but 50% is fine?[1] [1] http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/ http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/
- makomk 10y ago
  A 50% graduation rate is literally double a 25% graduation rate. You're arguing that the only reason for the US government to care about the fact that students at for-profit institutions are half as likely to graduate is because they've got a grudge against them, as though this is some minor difference that no-one should care about.
  - ajkjk 10y ago
    And, sure, a 50% graduation rate at a state college is a big problem that should be investigated as well. But it's definitely not true that "all of the state colleges" have this problem, whereas it (as least seems to be) ubiquitous among for-profit schools.
tmptmp 10y ago
>>Graduation rates at non profit schools are appalling. University of Pheonix routinely graduates less than 20% of its students within six years. I am talking about both (for and not-for profit) universities. Isn't graduation a responsibility of a student too? If a student is not graduating, isn't there a chance that he/she is not sufficiently working for it? or If a student is not graduating, isn't there a chance that he/she does not have what it takes to learn a subject? The students should do a little bit of homework before joining any university: does the university seem suitable for me? do I seem suitable for the university? do I think I am capable of handling the study work? what is the quality of the faculty? what the almuni are saying about this university? what the other academics are saying about this university? If a student cannot or will not do this little bit of homework, then I guess he/she deserves to be surprised (may get a good surprise if lucky else bad surprise).

nickff 10y ago

Many state colleges have low 6 year graduation rates too (as they vary widely), should they be shut down too? Is there any reason 25% or 30% are unacceptable, but 50% is fine?[1] [1] http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/ http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/

makomk 10y ago
A 50% graduation rate is literally double a 25% graduation rate. You're arguing that the only reason for the US government to care about the fact that students at for-profit institutions are half as likely to graduate is because they've got a grudge against them, as though this is some minor difference that no-one should care about.
- ajkjk 10y ago
  And, sure, a 50% graduation rate at a state college is a big problem that should be investigated as well. But it's definitely not true that "all of the state colleges" have this problem, whereas it (as least seems to be) ubiquitous among for-profit schools.

tmptmp 10y ago

>>Graduation rates at non profit schools are appalling. University of Pheonix routinely graduates less than 20% of its students within six years. I am talking about both (for and not-for profit) universities. Isn't graduation a responsibility of a student too? If a student is not graduating, isn't there a chance that he/she is not sufficiently working for it? or If a student is not graduating, isn't there a chance that he/she does not have what it takes to learn a subject? The students should do a little bit of homework before joining any university: does the university seem suitable for me? do I seem suitable for the university? do I think I am capable of handling the study work? what is the quality of the faculty? what the almuni are saying about this university? what the other academics are saying about this university? If a student cannot or will not do this little bit of homework, then I guess he/she deserves to be surprised (may get a good surprise if lucky else bad surprise).