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Thats a very strange belief. Akin to believing we can't build cars until we understand how horses work exactly. AI has made huge progress in the past few years,

Thats a very strange belief. Akin to believing we can't build cars until we understand how horses work exactly. AI has made huge progress in the past few years, without any input from neuroscientists. Stupid evolution made human brains with just random mutations and selection. Surely human engineers can do better. The hard problem of consciousness is especially irrelevant to AI. The hard problem is a philosophical issue that by definition can't be solved with science. We could make an exact simulation of the brain that exactly reproduces human behavior in a computer, and philosophers would still be debating it.

ZeroFries 10y ago
Natural selection selected for complex, globally-bound unitary conscious experiences for a reason. Strong AGI probably requires it.
- Houshalter 10y ago
  It requires it, in the same way that cars require legs and submarines require fins, or planes require flapping wings. I don't think strong AI will be anything like humans. If nothing else, it will follow a totally different evolutionary path than the conditions that created human minds. Minds designed for navigating the social hierarchy of primates. But the second point of my comment is that the philosophical debate about "consciousness" is disconnected from any empirical matter or anything connected to reality. Some of the advocates of the "hard problem" have stated that if neuroscientists came up with an exact theory of the human brain, that perfectly explained our behavior, they would still not be convinced. It's complete quasi-religious nonsense that's irrelevant to real AI or brain research.
  - ZeroFries 10y ago
    The hard problem actually extends to the bedrock of reality. What is the relation of matter and qualia? You don't have a clear understanding of the hard problem, nor of your own experience, if you can deny it so off-handedly as you've done here. I do agree with you, though, that AI will be completely different from human intelligence.

ZeroFries 10y ago

Natural selection selected for complex, globally-bound unitary conscious experiences for a reason. Strong AGI probably requires it.

Houshalter 10y ago
It requires it, in the same way that cars require legs and submarines require fins, or planes require flapping wings. I don't think strong AI will be anything like humans. If nothing else, it will follow a totally different evolutionary path than the conditions that created human minds. Minds designed for navigating the social hierarchy of primates. But the second point of my comment is that the philosophical debate about "consciousness" is disconnected from any empirical matter or anything connected to reality. Some of the advocates of the "hard problem" have stated that if neuroscientists came up with an exact theory of the human brain, that perfectly explained our behavior, they would still not be convinced. It's complete quasi-religious nonsense that's irrelevant to real AI or brain research.
- ZeroFries 10y ago
  The hard problem actually extends to the bedrock of reality. What is the relation of matter and qualia? You don't have a clear understanding of the hard problem, nor of your own experience, if you can deny it so off-handedly as you've done here. I do agree with you, though, that AI will be completely different from human intelligence.