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No, because the statement expressly says "freedom of expression does not mean the freedom to harass or threaten others."

gcoda 10y ago
Not really, your freedom ends when you diminishing someone else freedom. Harassing and threatening do not make people less free. Even Mozart was considered offensive some times, some people was triggered and described his music as immoral . So, freedom of expression should be without any restriction, except when it stepping on freedom of other people.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  But that's a different topic. "You can say anything you want" is different from "you can say anything you want in our meeting". Saying that Mozart can compose anything he wants is different from saying that the symphony has to play it, and that I have to go.
  - gcoda 10y ago
    Yes, but in education, this is dangerous way. Whole point of science is to critique, if you are triggered by facts, and university bans "hostile" ideas you can not even discuss it. There is a place and time, but you should have a right to oppose creationism, for example. At least you should be not afraid to ask questions or state facts. And if everything is safe space, and everybody is triggered this is totally oppose to scientific principles and contradicts whole point of education. edit: "you can say anything you want in our meeting" in practical terms, if there is a meeting about wage gap, you should be able to state facts that contradicts narrative, and not be afraid that you will be force to apologize for trigerring or even quit university
gcoda 10y ago
Another example, corrupted people in power was often harassed and threaten by someone else, like musicians and poets, they harassed government for thousands of years. If you change definition of freedom you will empower political census to exploit and shutdown criticism, this is essential part of democracy, even ancient Romans did it. do not help ruin it
panglott 10y ago
Support groups also deserve freedom of association. Requiring them to prove that the people who constantly derail their groups' activities are harassers puts the burden on them, rather than on the people who are crashing and disrupting their meetings.
norea-armozel 10y ago
You don't have the right to join what amounts to as a private club. The U of Chicago can choose not to offer space for said club, but that's another matter entirely. But the point is that their management of their membership and who can attend their functions in their spaces is an essential right even at university. Otherwise, we might as well turn university into a bootcamp and force everyone to attend every course willy nilly. I'm sure even older students who have family lives would love to be forced to take courses and attend non-essential student associations that aren't core to their degree program.

gcoda 10y ago

Not really, your freedom ends when you diminishing someone else freedom. Harassing and threatening do not make people less free. Even Mozart was considered offensive some times, some people was triggered and described his music as immoral . So, freedom of expression should be without any restriction, except when it stepping on freedom of other people.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
But that's a different topic. "You can say anything you want" is different from "you can say anything you want in our meeting". Saying that Mozart can compose anything he wants is different from saying that the symphony has to play it, and that I have to go.
- gcoda 10y ago
  Yes, but in education, this is dangerous way. Whole point of science is to critique, if you are triggered by facts, and university bans "hostile" ideas you can not even discuss it. There is a place and time, but you should have a right to oppose creationism, for example. At least you should be not afraid to ask questions or state facts. And if everything is safe space, and everybody is triggered this is totally oppose to scientific principles and contradicts whole point of education. edit: "you can say anything you want in our meeting" in practical terms, if there is a meeting about wage gap, you should be able to state facts that contradicts narrative, and not be afraid that you will be force to apologize for trigerring or even quit university

gcoda 10y ago

Another example, corrupted people in power was often harassed and threaten by someone else, like musicians and poets, they harassed government for thousands of years. If you change definition of freedom you will empower political census to exploit and shutdown criticism, this is essential part of democracy, even ancient Romans did it. do not help ruin it

panglott 10y ago

Support groups also deserve freedom of association. Requiring them to prove that the people who constantly derail their groups' activities are harassers puts the burden on them, rather than on the people who are crashing and disrupting their meetings.

norea-armozel 10y ago

You don't have the right to join what amounts to as a private club. The U of Chicago can choose not to offer space for said club, but that's another matter entirely. But the point is that their management of their membership and who can attend their functions in their spaces is an essential right even at university. Otherwise, we might as well turn university into a bootcamp and force everyone to attend every course willy nilly. I'm sure even older students who have family lives would love to be forced to take courses and attend non-essential student associations that aren't core to their degree program.