@dang it isn't as if I have the answers. I wasn't just referring to how people on the internet don't have this answer. This has been a discussion going on for s

@dang it isn't as if I have the answers. I wasn't just referring to how people on the internet don't have this answer. This has been a discussion going on for several centuries (literally; for example, Japanese budo in the 19th century), and no one has really come up with great answers, and I include people that are smarter than me. See my discussion with @jtolmar at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 if you want to see something more productive. As I said: you guys think I am putting people down. I'm not. I'm asking people to step back and really look at how the discourse has been going in circles. I'd also like to say: while @ghiotion's remarks seems to have violated the customs of of Hacker News, it's on par with the customs on forums specifically for martial arts. It gets crazy, up to and including people deciding to back their arguments by issuing physical challenges (how many of those actually materialize, I don't know). I've also looked through some of @ghiotion's comment history, and the tone of that comment seems like an outlier. Something about discussing martial arts brings out the aggression in people, worse than flamewars about tech or video games. It's as is to have rhetorical credibility, people feel they have to back it up with their capability for violence. My root comment was as much an observation of my own fatigue of this as anything. And no, I don't have an insight about this either. (Though I kinda wonder if I studied the philosophy of mimetic violence, it would help clarify why this happens).