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I'm just stunned and puzzled by this, the best comment in that bug [1] puts it pretty succinctly: It should be mentioned that the discussion would be much more

I'm just stunned and puzzled by this, the best comment in that bug [1] puts it pretty succinctly: It should be mentioned that the discussion would be much more productive if there was actually an official stance, a wiki documentation, a blog post, or anything* explaining the reasons for the change.* I only read the first 80 comments , but I can't find anyone who really finds this to be a good change, and there's yet to be a good explanation offered as to why this would improve anything. Quite simply, what problem does this solve? 1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/51 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/...

houseabsolute 17y ago
> what problem does this solve? The problem of some UI designer not having anything to do, like as not.
dflock 17y ago
That's my main issue with all this UI twiddling that Canonical are doing at the moment - the left hand buttons, the notify actions removal, removing tooltips from indicator items, and gnome's great menu-icon removal of the last cycle. There's absolutely no data, no testing and no rationale to backup any of these changes. No-one has been able to point me to impirical data, or any user testing to explain why these sweeping changes have been made, because there hasn't been any. Some XU designer thought it looked 'cooler' or 'cleaner' that way, so it got changed - end of story. I really tried with the left hand title bar buttons - but after a week of 15 years of muscle memory putting my mouse in the wrong place every single time, I just had to change it back. Even if I had got used to it, so what? They're the same buttons in a different place - why is it an improvement to move them? If there's no demonstable benefit to moving them, why is it worth making all your users retrain their long established muscle memory? What's in it for them? If there _are_ demonstrable benefits to these changes - then tell people what they are - demonstrate them - rather than just telling people to shut up. That will cut down on the bickering comments no end.
- epochwolf 17y ago
  I can't related to this. I switched to OSX fully time over two years ago after using Windows most of my life. I adjusted to the close button being on the left in about a week.
  - dflock 17y ago
    I think you night have missed the point of my post.

houseabsolute 17y ago

> what problem does this solve? The problem of some UI designer not having anything to do, like as not.

dflock 17y ago

That's my main issue with all this UI twiddling that Canonical are doing at the moment - the left hand buttons, the notify actions removal, removing tooltips from indicator items, and gnome's great menu-icon removal of the last cycle. There's absolutely no data, no testing and no rationale to backup any of these changes. No-one has been able to point me to impirical data, or any user testing to explain why these sweeping changes have been made, because there hasn't been any. Some XU designer thought it looked 'cooler' or 'cleaner' that way, so it got changed - end of story. I really tried with the left hand title bar buttons - but after a week of 15 years of muscle memory putting my mouse in the wrong place every single time, I just had to change it back. Even if I had got used to it, so what? They're the same buttons in a different place - why is it an improvement to move them? If there's no demonstable benefit to moving them, why is it worth making all your users retrain their long established muscle memory? What's in it for them? If there _are_ demonstrable benefits to these changes - then tell people what they are - demonstrate them - rather than just telling people to shut up. That will cut down on the bickering comments no end.

epochwolf 17y ago
I can't related to this. I switched to OSX fully time over two years ago after using Windows most of my life. I adjusted to the close button being on the left in about a week.
- dflock 17y ago
  I think you night have missed the point of my post.