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One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation. Code should become protected speech, simple as that, and we shouldn't dance around

One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation. Code should become protected speech, simple as that, and we shouldn't dance around how to "balance" things out. That said, I'd like somebody to point out where in this proposal are mentioned mandatory backdoors (which article mentions and would be an attack on freedom of speech in my view). Maybe the proposal is only about requests for decryption of ciphertext for which key is present on servers to be legally enforceable.

wtbob 10y ago
> One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation. And the Second Amendment, which neatly deals with encryption-as-a-munition.
- homero 10y ago
  I like the fourth amendment too
guitarbill 10y ago
> One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation What makes you think other countries don't have similar laws? Also, code as protected speech isn't even agreed on in the US AFAIK [0] > for decryption of ciphertext for which key is present on servers to be legally enforceable. Currently it's not doable by anybody (except sender and recipient), so legally enforceable = legally doable = illegally doable = backdoor. Do we really need to point this out every time? It isn't too hard to understand that maths/cryptography has no concept to differentiate between police man, judge, or hacker. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/apple-fbi-fight-asks-is-code-protected-as-free-speech https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/apple-fbi...
- RaleyField 10y ago
  > It isn't too hard to understand that maths/cryptography has no concept to differentiate between police man, judge, or hacker. It isn't too hard to understand that half the apps sell snake oil as well. By the standard used by them "encrypted" communication happens if mechanically aes is being used when talking to server. > What makes you think other countries don't have similar laws? What makes you think other countries have similar laws. They are vaguely similar. Defamation laws are plaintiff friendly in EU. If you say something and you aren't completely sure it is true and will be recognized by courts as such then you are liable. Then you have attacks that would be unthinkable in US, like proposal for law penalizing utterances of "polish death camps" with 3 years. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/use-phrase-polish-death-camps-in-poland-and-you-may-go-to-jail-180960167/?no-ist http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/use-phrase-polish-d...
taejo 10y ago
> Code should become protected speech "Go ahead, share the code as much as you like." It's not particularly useful if running the code is illegal.

wtbob 10y ago

> One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation. And the Second Amendment, which neatly deals with encryption-as-a-munition.

homero 10y ago
I like the fourth amendment too

guitarbill 10y ago

> One thing I miss in here in EU is the first amendment and its interpretation What makes you think other countries don't have similar laws? Also, code as protected speech isn't even agreed on in the US AFAIK [0] > for decryption of ciphertext for which key is present on servers to be legally enforceable. Currently it's not doable by anybody (except sender and recipient), so legally enforceable = legally doable = illegally doable = backdoor. Do we really need to point this out every time? It isn't too hard to understand that maths/cryptography has no concept to differentiate between police man, judge, or hacker. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/apple-fbi-fight-asks-is-code-protected-as-free-speech https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/apple-fbi...

RaleyField 10y ago
> It isn't too hard to understand that maths/cryptography has no concept to differentiate between police man, judge, or hacker. It isn't too hard to understand that half the apps sell snake oil as well. By the standard used by them "encrypted" communication happens if mechanically aes is being used when talking to server. > What makes you think other countries don't have similar laws? What makes you think other countries have similar laws. They are vaguely similar. Defamation laws are plaintiff friendly in EU. If you say something and you aren't completely sure it is true and will be recognized by courts as such then you are liable. Then you have attacks that would be unthinkable in US, like proposal for law penalizing utterances of "polish death camps" with 3 years. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/use-phrase-polish-death-camps-in-poland-and-you-may-go-to-jail-180960167/?no-ist http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/use-phrase-polish-d...

taejo 10y ago

> Code should become protected speech "Go ahead, share the code as much as you like." It's not particularly useful if running the code is illegal.