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I'm not so sure you actually read the article. It explicitly talks about how they've accomplished a lot of this without violating their users' privacy. And tha

by atonse 10y ago

I'm not so sure you actually read the article. It explicitly talks about how they've accomplished a lot of this without violating their users' privacy. And that the fact that they deny AI researchers big hoards of data, hurts their reputation in the AI community, because most AI researchers want mountains of data.

sangnoir 10y ago
> It explicitly talks about how they've accomplished a lot of this without violating their users' privacy. My question are: A. who is violating user's privacy, B. How is Apple any different[1] from them, besides proclaiming they aren't violating privacy? 1. Some data is collected from the device and sent to a server for processing. Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device), they are just like every other company that opens up user's data to 'ex-filtration' by third parties.
- throwanem 10y ago
  Well, to your point B: for a start, I've already paid Apple. They have much less financial incentive to use my data in ways inimical to me than, say, an advertising company would.
- johncolanduoni 10y ago
  They're certainly not the only ones in this space, but they've been talking about differential privacy recently[1]. So there are possibilities between "everything is on our server" and "everything is on your device". [1]: http://www.recode.net/2016/6/24/11967188/apple-data-collection-ai-opt-in-differential-privacy http://www.recode.net/2016/6/24/11967188/apple-data-collecti...
- dummyacc111 10y ago
  > Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device) This is exactly what Apple does, which should answer question B.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    > This is exactly what Apple does That is not true, even the puff-piece article admits as much if you read it carefully. This can be proven trivially: is Siri processed locally?
    - throwanem 10y ago
      Answering only the trivially erroneous objection, and ignoring two other better-founded ones, does not reflect confidence in your stance.
      - sangnoir 10y ago
        In the footnote to the point gp was replying, I had said > Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device) You can call it trivial, I will argue otherwise. No one knows outside of Apple how big a percentage cloud-based processing is, but my point remains - Apple's does what everyone else is doing, the only difference is proportion.

by atonse 10y ago

sangnoir 10y ago

> It explicitly talks about how they've accomplished a lot of this without violating their users' privacy. My question are: A. who is violating user's privacy, B. How is Apple any different[1] from them, besides proclaiming they aren't violating privacy? 1. Some data is collected from the device and sent to a server for processing. Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device), they are just like every other company that opens up user's data to 'ex-filtration' by third parties.

throwanem 10y ago
Well, to your point B: for a start, I've already paid Apple. They have much less financial incentive to use my data in ways inimical to me than, say, an advertising company would.
johncolanduoni 10y ago
They're certainly not the only ones in this space, but they've been talking about differential privacy recently[1]. So there are possibilities between "everything is on our server" and "everything is on your device". [1]: http://www.recode.net/2016/6/24/11967188/apple-data-collection-ai-opt-in-differential-privacy http://www.recode.net/2016/6/24/11967188/apple-data-collecti...
dummyacc111 10y ago
> Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device) This is exactly what Apple does, which should answer question B.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > This is exactly what Apple does That is not true, even the puff-piece article admits as much if you read it carefully. This can be proven trivially: is Siri processed locally?
  - throwanem 10y ago
    Answering only the trivially erroneous objection, and ignoring two other better-founded ones, does not reflect confidence in your stance.
    - sangnoir 10y ago
      In the footnote to the point gp was replying, I had said > Until Apple does something truly radical (like 100% encrypted information that is processing on-device) You can call it trivial, I will argue otherwise. No one knows outside of Apple how big a percentage cloud-based processing is, but my point remains - Apple's does what everyone else is doing, the only difference is proportion.