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Ignoring the ample amount of ethical and political objections to the whole notion of government (which government, incidently?) backdoors, how does one even sta

Ignoring the ample amount of ethical and political objections to the whole notion of government (which government, incidently?) backdoors, how does one even start to implement this kind of legislature? You might be able to coerce Facebook or Google to cooperate, but you can't exactly outlaw any alternative that is out of reach of the EU, or any jurisdiction for that matter. These tools exist now, and won't just dissappear. Any terrorist worth his salt will use whatever works, regardless of legality.

CydeWeys 10y ago
> You might be able to coerce Facebook or Google to cooperate I doubt it, not for the French or German governments anyway. Simpler to shutter the offices there and put the onus on France/Germany of creating China-like Great Firewalls if they want to block Google/Facebook web access to their citizens. I can't actually imagine that happening in said democratic societies.
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  This would be EU law, and apply to a market of currently 508 million people with the potential to grow to 750 million people. I still think and hope it would not be put into place.
  - Freak_NL 10y ago
    These kind of laws also tend not to exist in isolation. There are politicians in both the EU and the US who entertain this notion of cryptographic backdoors. Common sense says that it is impossible for this kind of law to gain traction beyond these kind of probing attempts at finding support; there are just too many practical issues to solve without this law becoming a complete farce.
- kuschku 10y ago
  > Simpler to shutter the offices there And lose their largest market? The EU is more profitable than the US to Google, Facebook, etc. Not operating there would cost them a huge part of their profits, so no, not really simpler to close the offices there.
SixSigma 10y ago
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:120... Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. Article 11 Freedom of expression and information 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. Article 13 Freedom of the arts and sciences The arts and scientific research shall be free of constraint. Academic freedom shall be respected.

CydeWeys 10y ago

> You might be able to coerce Facebook or Google to cooperate I doubt it, not for the French or German governments anyway. Simpler to shutter the offices there and put the onus on France/Germany of creating China-like Great Firewalls if they want to block Google/Facebook web access to their citizens. I can't actually imagine that happening in said democratic societies.

allendoerfer 10y ago
This would be EU law, and apply to a market of currently 508 million people with the potential to grow to 750 million people. I still think and hope it would not be put into place.
- Freak_NL 10y ago
  These kind of laws also tend not to exist in isolation. There are politicians in both the EU and the US who entertain this notion of cryptographic backdoors. Common sense says that it is impossible for this kind of law to gain traction beyond these kind of probing attempts at finding support; there are just too many practical issues to solve without this law becoming a complete farce.
kuschku 10y ago
> Simpler to shutter the offices there And lose their largest market? The EU is more profitable than the US to Google, Facebook, etc. Not operating there would cost them a huge part of their profits, so no, not really simpler to close the offices there.

SixSigma 10y ago

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:120... Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. Article 11 Freedom of expression and information 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. Article 13 Freedom of the arts and sciences The arts and scientific research shall be free of constraint. Academic freedom shall be respected.