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Why are you asking that in a sarcastic, contemptuous tone?

by hosh 10y ago

ghiotion 10y ago
Because your original comment offered a contemptuous, know-it-all tone devoid of any meaningful content. It's kind of a shitty feeling, isn't it?
- hosh 10y ago
  Uh, no. You took it upon yourself to be some kind of a hero with this and projected meanings that are not there. I don't feel shitty about your sarcasm and contempt, though I understand that you would like it if I somehow feel some suffering here over it. However, argumentation by contempt is not a persuasive rhetorical technique. I asked you why, to see whether you understand your own motivations. Setting aside the posturing and seriously answering what you asked: I don't have an answer to "what is the role of martial art in modern society". Lots of people have asked that. I see people who have answered "what is the role of martial art in my life" to their satisfaction, but nothing is clear about the role of martial art in the modern society. I notice when discussion goes around in circles -- the same pattern of arguments that happen across the years over different forums. For example, TMA vs MMA; what is reality-based or evidence-based fighting; whether you really need to be able to fight on the streets. There are also whole swathes of modernist anachronistic views that don't jive with traditional teachings (even if traditional teachings appears out-moded in modern societies).
  - dang 10y ago
    ghiotion's comments were abusive, but your root comment wasn't great either, since it merely put others down without providing any information. If you have greater knowledge and want to comment here, it's better to teach us something (e.g. about martial arts) instead of just saying how much we don't know.
    - hosh 10y ago
      @dang it isn't as if I have the answers. I wasn't just referring to how people on the internet don't have this answer. This has been a discussion going on for several centuries (literally; for example, Japanese budo in the 19th century), and no one has really come up with great answers, and I include people that are smarter than me. See my discussion with @jtolmar at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 if you want to see something more productive. As I said: you guys think I am putting people down. I'm not. I'm asking people to step back and really look at how the discourse has been going in circles. I'd also like to say: while @ghiotion's remarks seems to have violated the customs of of Hacker News, it's on par with the customs on forums specifically for martial arts. It gets crazy, up to and including people deciding to back their arguments by issuing physical challenges (how many of those actually materialize, I don't know). I've also looked through some of @ghiotion's comment history, and the tone of that comment seems like an outlier. Something about discussing martial arts brings out the aggression in people, worse than flamewars about tech or video games. It's as is to have rhetorical credibility, people feel they have to back it up with their capability for violence. My root comment was as much an observation of my own fatigue of this as anything. And no, I don't have an insight about this either. (Though I kinda wonder if I studied the philosophy of mimetic violence, it would help clarify why this happens).
      - dang 10y ago
        Ok, points taken.

Why are you asking that in a sarcastic, contemptuous tone?

by hosh 10y ago

Why are you asking that in a sarcastic, contemptuous tone?

Because your original comment offered a contemptuous, know-it-all tone devoid of any meaningful content. It's kind of a shitty feeling, isn't it?

hosh 10y ago
Uh, no. You took it upon yourself to be some kind of a hero with this and projected meanings that are not there. I don't feel shitty about your sarcasm and contempt, though I understand that you would like it if I somehow feel some suffering here over it. However, argumentation by contempt is not a persuasive rhetorical technique. I asked you why, to see whether you understand your own motivations. Setting aside the posturing and seriously answering what you asked: I don't have an answer to "what is the role of martial art in modern society". Lots of people have asked that. I see people who have answered "what is the role of martial art in my life" to their satisfaction, but nothing is clear about the role of martial art in the modern society. I notice when discussion goes around in circles -- the same pattern of arguments that happen across the years over different forums. For example, TMA vs MMA; what is reality-based or evidence-based fighting; whether you really need to be able to fight on the streets. There are also whole swathes of modernist anachronistic views that don't jive with traditional teachings (even if traditional teachings appears out-moded in modern societies).
- dang 10y ago
  ghiotion's comments were abusive, but your root comment wasn't great either, since it merely put others down without providing any information. If you have greater knowledge and want to comment here, it's better to teach us something (e.g. about martial arts) instead of just saying how much we don't know.
  - hosh 10y ago
    @dang it isn't as if I have the answers. I wasn't just referring to how people on the internet don't have this answer. This has been a discussion going on for several centuries (literally; for example, Japanese budo in the 19th century), and no one has really come up with great answers, and I include people that are smarter than me. See my discussion with @jtolmar at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12354286 if you want to see something more productive. As I said: you guys think I am putting people down. I'm not. I'm asking people to step back and really look at how the discourse has been going in circles. I'd also like to say: while @ghiotion's remarks seems to have violated the customs of of Hacker News, it's on par with the customs on forums specifically for martial arts. It gets crazy, up to and including people deciding to back their arguments by issuing physical challenges (how many of those actually materialize, I don't know). I've also looked through some of @ghiotion's comment history, and the tone of that comment seems like an outlier. Something about discussing martial arts brings out the aggression in people, worse than flamewars about tech or video games. It's as is to have rhetorical credibility, people feel they have to back it up with their capability for violence. My root comment was as much an observation of my own fatigue of this as anything. And no, I don't have an insight about this either. (Though I kinda wonder if I studied the philosophy of mimetic violence, it would help clarify why this happens).
    - dang 10y ago
      Ok, points taken.