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If you don't have Visual Studio, you can download the Express version for free. Not any more, it seems. Now you get the Community editions, which work for free

If you don't have Visual Studio, you can download the Express version for free. Not any more, it seems. Now you get the Community editions, which work for free for about a month but then apparently require you to associate them with a Microsoft account and have strings attached.

brudgers 10y ago
The Visual Studio Community Edition license: https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547
- Silhouette 10y ago
  Yes, and it contains gems like this: 4. DATA. The software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. Microsoft may use this information to provide services and improve our products and services. You may opt-out of many of these scenarios, but not all, as described in the product documentation. [...] Your use of the software operates as your consent to these practices. Now, perhaps someone can find me the wording in any of the multiple directly and indirectly referenced privacy policies and other documentation that guarantees Microsoft won't upload and examine potentially sensitive data like my source code under those terms? There is simply no way in which having to sign in to desktop software in order to do the same things you used to do without signing in is an improvement for the user. It is a security and privacy risk with absolutely no upside.
  - kohanz 10y ago
    The thought that Microsoft developed Visual Studio in order to spy on developers is a bit much to stomach.
    - Silhouette 10y ago
      I'm not concerned with whether it was developed for that purpose. I'm concerned with whether I'm potentially disclosing trade secrets, violating NDAs or other contractual provisions, or simply risking a leak of my big new idea if someone else's system has a security breach. As I wrote before, requiring a log-in and open-ended telemetry for a traditional desktop app is a vulnerability with no benefit as far as the user is concerned.

brudgers 10y ago

The Visual Studio Community Edition license: https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547

Silhouette 10y ago
Yes, and it contains gems like this: 4. DATA. The software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. Microsoft may use this information to provide services and improve our products and services. You may opt-out of many of these scenarios, but not all, as described in the product documentation. [...] Your use of the software operates as your consent to these practices. Now, perhaps someone can find me the wording in any of the multiple directly and indirectly referenced privacy policies and other documentation that guarantees Microsoft won't upload and examine potentially sensitive data like my source code under those terms? There is simply no way in which having to sign in to desktop software in order to do the same things you used to do without signing in is an improvement for the user. It is a security and privacy risk with absolutely no upside.
- kohanz 10y ago
  The thought that Microsoft developed Visual Studio in order to spy on developers is a bit much to stomach.
  - Silhouette 10y ago
    I'm not concerned with whether it was developed for that purpose. I'm concerned with whether I'm potentially disclosing trade secrets, violating NDAs or other contractual provisions, or simply risking a leak of my big new idea if someone else's system has a security breach. As I wrote before, requiring a log-in and open-ended telemetry for a traditional desktop app is a vulnerability with no benefit as far as the user is concerned.