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Agreed 100%. I live in London too. As a pedestrian, irresponsible cyclists have really pissed me off to no end. Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness

Agreed 100%. I live in London too. As a pedestrian, irresponsible cyclists have really pissed me off to no end. Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness, which makes them a great danger to the rest of us pedestrians. Not all cyclists are like this mind you, but it's enough of a population that I second-guess most cyclists wil follow rules of the road. To put into perspective - when you're driving and you have a green light, you generally assume cars approaching the red light orthogonally will slow down and respect the stop signal. Now imagine the situation where you cannot assume this and at every intersection you go through, you assume a car will ignore their traffic light. That's what it feels like to be a pedestrian around cyclists in London. Quite too often cyclists will plow through zebra crossings (crosswalks for you USA folks, where pedestrians have full right of way). Even if you're in the middle already. A cyclist once came at full speed within inches of my daughter's pushchair (stroller) when we were in the middle of the zebra crossing, and when I loudly said "what the heck" at the guy. He turned back and screamed very loudly "Fuck You", in front of my daughter. Similarly just the other day a cyclist came through a zebra crossing at full speed about a foot away from me. I again said "what the heck" and he responded loudly "oh, Fuck Off". A few intersections have cyclists that regularly come through when pedestrians have the green man signal. It's pretty ridiculous.

_pmf_ 10y ago
> Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness, which makes them a great danger to the rest of us pedestrians. Isn't the reasoning for the proposal that allowing bikes this special treatment of stop signs and red lights would incite them to use the road instead switching to the sidewalk (to be faster)? I.e., yes, bikers might be entitled, but the suggestion would also benefit pedestrians.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Well that's now things end up working the laws are they stand now supposed to prevent bad behaviour but many cyclists tend to ignore them for many reasons including considerable lack of enforcement. Passing a law that induced bad behaviour from the get go is counter productive. I've read the article and I've watched the video and it's utterly out of touch with reality from my personal experience. Also we have stop and yield signs specifically for one reason and that is to take out personal judgement out of the picture. Considering the poor judgement I see exhibited by cyclists already I'm not prone to give them any more reasons to justify their current behaviour. "It's not fun to stop at a stop sign" isn't a good enough reason to let them decide when it's their time to cross and when it's not.
- joncrocks 10y ago
  In the UK (where I think the poster is from), it's already illegal for cyclists to cycle on a pavement (sidewalk) next to a road. I think. His experiences are with cyclists flouting the existing laws when they travel on the road.
  - hermannj314 10y ago
    In my city (not-UK), it is only allowed if you are moving at the speed of pedestrian traffic (a limit of 8mph). I'm guessing to allow children to ride without fear of being cited, or allow a cyclist around a difficult road condition. My point is that I do not know of anywhere that a cyclist can hop on a sidewalk at full-speed and not be violating the law.
  - jeffwass 10y ago
    Correct. My concern is that such a move would give further credence to cyclists that they're "above the laws of the road", which would lead to even more of the dangerous types of cyclist behaviour I mentioned above.
dmm 10y ago
> Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness I hate out-groups too. Nothing can compare to the entitledness of car drivers. I've been yelled at, swerved at, had trash thrown at me while walking or cycling, often with children. Many drivers seems to consider the slightest inconvenience as a personal attack worthy of violent response with a deadly machine.
- hermannj314 10y ago
  I know this. Glass bottle thrown at my head for riding in the bike lane in Iowa. Apparently, I did something upsetting. Pick-up trucks are a strong signal for this type of behavior. No one in a sub-compact has ever tried to kill me. Not sure why that is my experience, could just be coincidence.
mrgoldenbrown 10y ago
I regularly cycle, walk, and drive in Boston. Drivers are definitely more entitled here. I can rewrite each of your anecdotes with drivers in the villain slot. especially the swearing at you when they break the rules parts. And pedestrians, as a group, certainly don't know how to follow rules either - jaywalking is rampant, and I have yet to find a dedicated bike lane that they won't happily clog up, even if it means walking directly on top of the "bikes only, no pedestrians" painted on the ground. >To put into perspective - when you're driving and you have a green light, you generally assume cars approaching the red light orthogonally will slow down and respect the stop signal. Now imagine the situation where you cannot assume this and at every intersection you go through, you assume a car will ignore their traffic light. That's what it feels like to be a pedestrian around cyclists in London. To put into perspective - when you're driving and you are in the right hand lane going straight, you generally assume cars in the left lane will not attempt to make a right hand turn onto a cross street through your car. Now imagine the situation where you cannot assume this and at every intersection you go through, you assume a car will run you over (without even signaling) to make a right hand turn. That's what it feels like to be a cyclist around drivers in Boston. Admittedly, I can't put a driver in the place of the stroller anecdote. But I did have a near miss when a parent pushing their child in a jogging stroller came careening around a blind corner without looking and almost crashed into me (I was walking my bike at the time, heard them coming, and got out of the way.)

_pmf_ 10y ago

> Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness, which makes them a great danger to the rest of us pedestrians. Isn't the reasoning for the proposal that allowing bikes this special treatment of stop signs and red lights would incite them to use the road instead switching to the sidewalk (to be faster)? I.e., yes, bikers might be entitled, but the suggestion would also benefit pedestrians.

dogma1138 10y ago
Well that's now things end up working the laws are they stand now supposed to prevent bad behaviour but many cyclists tend to ignore them for many reasons including considerable lack of enforcement. Passing a law that induced bad behaviour from the get go is counter productive. I've read the article and I've watched the video and it's utterly out of touch with reality from my personal experience. Also we have stop and yield signs specifically for one reason and that is to take out personal judgement out of the picture. Considering the poor judgement I see exhibited by cyclists already I'm not prone to give them any more reasons to justify their current behaviour. "It's not fun to stop at a stop sign" isn't a good enough reason to let them decide when it's their time to cross and when it's not.
joncrocks 10y ago
In the UK (where I think the poster is from), it's already illegal for cyclists to cycle on a pavement (sidewalk) next to a road. I think. His experiences are with cyclists flouting the existing laws when they travel on the road.
- hermannj314 10y ago
  In my city (not-UK), it is only allowed if you are moving at the speed of pedestrian traffic (a limit of 8mph). I'm guessing to allow children to ride without fear of being cited, or allow a cyclist around a difficult road condition. My point is that I do not know of anywhere that a cyclist can hop on a sidewalk at full-speed and not be violating the law.
- jeffwass 10y ago
  Correct. My concern is that such a move would give further credence to cyclists that they're "above the laws of the road", which would lead to even more of the dangerous types of cyclist behaviour I mentioned above.

dmm 10y ago

> Many cyclists have an attitude of entitledness I hate out-groups too. Nothing can compare to the entitledness of car drivers. I've been yelled at, swerved at, had trash thrown at me while walking or cycling, often with children. Many drivers seems to consider the slightest inconvenience as a personal attack worthy of violent response with a deadly machine.

hermannj314 10y ago
I know this. Glass bottle thrown at my head for riding in the bike lane in Iowa. Apparently, I did something upsetting. Pick-up trucks are a strong signal for this type of behavior. No one in a sub-compact has ever tried to kill me. Not sure why that is my experience, could just be coincidence.

mrgoldenbrown 10y ago

I regularly cycle, walk, and drive in Boston. Drivers are definitely more entitled here. I can rewrite each of your anecdotes with drivers in the villain slot. especially the swearing at you when they break the rules parts. And pedestrians, as a group, certainly don't know how to follow rules either - jaywalking is rampant, and I have yet to find a dedicated bike lane that they won't happily clog up, even if it means walking directly on top of the "bikes only, no pedestrians" painted on the ground. >To put into perspective - when you're driving and you have a green light, you generally assume cars approaching the red light orthogonally will slow down and respect the stop signal. Now imagine the situation where you cannot assume this and at every intersection you go through, you assume a car will ignore their traffic light. That's what it feels like to be a pedestrian around cyclists in London. To put into perspective - when you're driving and you are in the right hand lane going straight, you generally assume cars in the left lane will not attempt to make a right hand turn onto a cross street through your car. Now imagine the situation where you cannot assume this and at every intersection you go through, you assume a car will run you over (without even signaling) to make a right hand turn. That's what it feels like to be a cyclist around drivers in Boston. Admittedly, I can't put a driver in the place of the stroller anecdote. But I did have a near miss when a parent pushing their child in a jogging stroller came careening around a blind corner without looking and almost crashed into me (I was walking my bike at the time, heard them coming, and got out of the way.)