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Padrino Ruby Web Framework (sits on top of Sinatra)

54 points by jmonegro 17y ago

ddemchuk 17y ago
I haven't had a chance to dive in and start a project with this yet, but it looks like a dream come true for people want a slimmed down version of Rails but don't want to sacrifice all of the helpers and goodies that Rails offers. In fact, it looks pretty comparable to CodeIgniter in terms of it's approach to how you use it. And their docs look great! Super stoked, looks like I have a new weekend project
- nesquena 17y ago
  Glad you like what you have seen so far. Be sure to checkout the guides (http://www.padrinorb.com/guides http://www.padrinorb.com/guides) and specifically the blog tutorial (http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial) and if you have any issues, post them here: http://github.com/padrino/padrino-framework/issues http://github.com/padrino/padrino-framework/issues
  - ddemchuk 17y ago
    Thanks!
gurop 17y ago
I thought Monk already did a pretty good job of extending Sinatra without going overboard. http://monkrb.com/ http://monkrb.com/ I'd be interested to know how Padrino compares to Monk. At first glance Padrino seems closer to Rails in scale - which seems to defeat the whole minimalist mindset behind Sinatra. I mean, if I want Rails, I'll use Rails. The extensive community support for Rails in combination with the improvements in Rails 3 already makes it difficult to justify using a smaller framework like Sinatra. Many of the questions I have asked in the Sinatra community have gone unanswered so I imagine using Padrino (or even Monk) would simply add to that problem. On the other hand, with Rails, the combination of StackOverflow, Google Groups and a plethora of Googleble web resources means you are never far from resolving a holdup.
- jmonegro 17y ago
  The thing about monk is that you can use each particular section individually on Sinatra as well. IMO, this is a simpler rails that works the way I like it.
  - gurop 17y ago
    Rails 3 is a simpler Rails that works the way I like it. But with the added advantage of massive community support. Sinatra (and Ramaze) also have the advantage of having been thoroughly tested and have a lot of eyeballs on them. Using Padrino (and perhaps Monk) creates the risk of (a) encountering framework boilerplate code that is buggy and (b) not having enough help to fix those problems because of insufficient resources on the part of the creators or insufficient community support. That said, the documentation is impressive and attractive. The only suggestion I would make is the reduce the size of the downloadable screencast - no need for a 210MB video file for 12 minutes of video. Also, the version on Vimeo is unwatchable because it's not HD - it's difficult to read the source code on screen.
    - tptacek 17y ago
      No idea why anyone would mod this comment down. For what it's worth, I agree completely.
    - jmonegro 17y ago
      But is it as fast?
    - nesquena 17y ago
      I agree Vimeo version was unwatchable. We have uploaded a better version to blip.tv here: http://blip.tv/file/3432970/ http://blip.tv/file/3432970/ and updated our blog tutorial to reflect this: http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial . Also thanks for your feedback.
  - achiu 17y ago
    Padrino allows you to also cherry-pick any 'section' as well. check out the doc here http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra
SlyShy 17y ago
I'm impressed. I've been using Sinatra and a bit of Monk, and I have to say the bundled helpers are very nice. One problem I have with Sinatra is sometimes extensions are fairly sketchy. :/ So I like that more the boilerplate here is somehow "official". Sinatra can use a dash of opinion without losing its ease.
mark_l_watson 17y ago
I am trying it out right now, and first impressions are good. That said, for me, Rails for complex apps and Sinatra for web services and simple apps is probably sufficient. I continue to be pleased with how far the Ruby community has come in the last four or five years. Credit probably goes to Rails for revving up interest in Ruby.
- ryanisinallofus 17y ago
  Sinatra = iPhone Rails = MacBook Pro Padrino = iPad?
gurop 17y ago
I'd be curious whether this is robust enough to support an ecommerce app. How would one check whether this meets the security requirements for such besides the fact that it's build on Rack?
- achiu 17y ago
  Padrino Developer here. Our team has developed several ecommerce applications using padrino for various contract jobs. Websites will be deployed soon with links available on http://padrinorb.com http://padrinorb.com. Padrino is built directly on top of Sinatra and should meet any security requirements you might have.
nandemo 17y ago
I don't use Ruby, but the name is really cool. "Padrino" means "godfather". Among Godfather fans the connection to "Sinatra" is well known: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bosses/the_godfather/6.html http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bos...
- nesquena 17y ago
  Haha yeah you got us! Our original tagline was that our framework was 'The Godfather of Sinatra'.
dazmax 17y ago
I like that you can just throw the helpers into Sinatra, it looks like a good set. http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra#padrino-helpers http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra#...

54 points by jmonegro 17y ago

I haven't had a chance to dive in and start a project with this yet, but it looks like a dream come true for people want a slimmed down version of Rails but don't want to sacrifice all of the helpers and goodies that Rails offers. In fact, it looks pretty comparable to CodeIgniter in terms of it's approach to how you use it. And their docs look great! Super stoked, looks like I have a new weekend project

nesquena 17y ago
Glad you like what you have seen so far. Be sure to checkout the guides (http://www.padrinorb.com/guides http://www.padrinorb.com/guides) and specifically the blog tutorial (http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial) and if you have any issues, post them here: http://github.com/padrino/padrino-framework/issues http://github.com/padrino/padrino-framework/issues
- ddemchuk 17y ago
  Thanks!

gurop 17y ago

I thought Monk already did a pretty good job of extending Sinatra without going overboard. http://monkrb.com/ http://monkrb.com/ I'd be interested to know how Padrino compares to Monk. At first glance Padrino seems closer to Rails in scale - which seems to defeat the whole minimalist mindset behind Sinatra. I mean, if I want Rails, I'll use Rails. The extensive community support for Rails in combination with the improvements in Rails 3 already makes it difficult to justify using a smaller framework like Sinatra. Many of the questions I have asked in the Sinatra community have gone unanswered so I imagine using Padrino (or even Monk) would simply add to that problem. On the other hand, with Rails, the combination of StackOverflow, Google Groups and a plethora of Googleble web resources means you are never far from resolving a holdup.

jmonegro 17y ago
The thing about monk is that you can use each particular section individually on Sinatra as well. IMO, this is a simpler rails that works the way I like it.
- gurop 17y ago
  Rails 3 is a simpler Rails that works the way I like it. But with the added advantage of massive community support. Sinatra (and Ramaze) also have the advantage of having been thoroughly tested and have a lot of eyeballs on them. Using Padrino (and perhaps Monk) creates the risk of (a) encountering framework boilerplate code that is buggy and (b) not having enough help to fix those problems because of insufficient resources on the part of the creators or insufficient community support. That said, the documentation is impressive and attractive. The only suggestion I would make is the reduce the size of the downloadable screencast - no need for a 210MB video file for 12 minutes of video. Also, the version on Vimeo is unwatchable because it's not HD - it's difficult to read the source code on screen.
  - tptacek 17y ago
    No idea why anyone would mod this comment down. For what it's worth, I agree completely.
  - jmonegro 17y ago
    But is it as fast?
  - nesquena 17y ago
    I agree Vimeo version was unwatchable. We have uploaded a better version to blip.tv here: http://blip.tv/file/3432970/ http://blip.tv/file/3432970/ and updated our blog tutorial to reflect this: http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/blog-tutorial . Also thanks for your feedback.
- achiu 17y ago
  Padrino allows you to also cherry-pick any 'section' as well. check out the doc here http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra

SlyShy 17y ago

I'm impressed. I've been using Sinatra and a bit of Monk, and I have to say the bundled helpers are very nice. One problem I have with Sinatra is sometimes extensions are fairly sketchy. :/ So I like that more the boilerplate here is somehow "official". Sinatra can use a dash of opinion without losing its ease.

mark_l_watson 17y ago

I am trying it out right now, and first impressions are good. That said, for me, Rails for complex apps and Sinatra for web services and simple apps is probably sufficient. I continue to be pleased with how far the Ruby community has come in the last four or five years. Credit probably goes to Rails for revving up interest in Ruby.

ryanisinallofus 17y ago
Sinatra = iPhone Rails = MacBook Pro Padrino = iPad?

gurop 17y ago

I'd be curious whether this is robust enough to support an ecommerce app. How would one check whether this meets the security requirements for such besides the fact that it's build on Rack?

achiu 17y ago
Padrino Developer here. Our team has developed several ecommerce applications using padrino for various contract jobs. Websites will be deployed soon with links available on http://padrinorb.com http://padrinorb.com. Padrino is built directly on top of Sinatra and should meet any security requirements you might have.

nandemo 17y ago

I don't use Ruby, but the name is really cool. "Padrino" means "godfather". Among Godfather fans the connection to "Sinatra" is well known: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bosses/the_godfather/6.html http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bos...

nesquena 17y ago
Haha yeah you got us! Our original tagline was that our framework was 'The Godfather of Sinatra'.

dazmax 17y ago

I like that you can just throw the helpers into Sinatra, it looks like a good set. http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra#padrino-helpers http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/standalone-usage-in-sinatra#...