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Just assume you have depression and seek external professional help. You can afford it! When you're depressed you won't perform well. Depressed people have dar

by unabst 10y ago

Just assume you have depression and seek external professional help. You can afford it! When you're depressed you won't perform well. Depressed people have darkness following them around and people will avoid you. So you're caged in with your thoughts, but they just get darker, because you're depressed. All signs point to depression. > Death doesn't seem so bad anymore. Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness, never a forgone conclusion. How else would it end up under "side effects" on a label?

solipsism 10y ago
Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness, never a forgone conclusion. That's a bit too broad of a statement. This kind of thinking is hurtful to the Right to Die movement. There are people in situations such that suicide is absolutely an option to a healthy mind.
- unabst 10y ago
  First of all OP is not dying. But there is a crucial distinction to be made between suicidal thoughts being a forgone conclusion in one's mind, and someone sanely exercising the right to die peacefully. The inability to distinguish these two would be far more harmful. > suicide is absolutely an option You said it yourself. Option, not forgone conclusion. But I would go as far as to say exercising one's right to choose one's death should not even be called suicide. You're already dying. You did not choose death, so it's not suicide. The word "suicide" has immense negative implications in many cultures and religions. If by simply changing the term we can exonerating their soul from the sin they themselves believe in, and assist them in a more beautiful death, we should be all for it. Having thoughts of dying better are not suicidal thoughts.
  - solipsism 10y ago
    You said it yourself. Option, not forgone conclusion. What are you arguing against, exactly? You said a bunch of absolutes. Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness You apparently realize they're not actually absolutes. End of thread. But I would go as far as to say exercising one's right to choose one's death should not even be called suicide Pedantry isn't very helpful here, nor is ex post facto modifying the definition of the words you used to match your intention. You may not think it should be called suicide, but that's not how language works. When you use the word "suicide" what matters is how others understand it, not yourself. You're not leaving comments for yourself to read, presumably.
    - unabst 10y ago
      Choosing how to die is not choosing to die. Your inability to make this distinction and to use one word to describe both is not something you can blame definitions for. > that's not how language works It is. If we need another word, we make one up or adjust our expressions. Words are not absolute. Our expressions are not the result of absolute words. Our words are always an approximation of what we wish to absolutely express. Language then evolves with us. A middle ground would be to say suicide could mean both "choosing death" and "choosing how to die faced with death". Well, the former is absolutely a sickness, and that is the suicide I was talking about. Since you dislike how and what I write I won't bother, but you'll continue to miss many valid points by forcing intentions to be tied to words and not with the speaker. You need to be more permissive and flexible than that. Just saying.

by unabst 10y ago

solipsism 10y ago

Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness, never a forgone conclusion. That's a bit too broad of a statement. This kind of thinking is hurtful to the Right to Die movement. There are people in situations such that suicide is absolutely an option to a healthy mind.

unabst 10y ago
First of all OP is not dying. But there is a crucial distinction to be made between suicidal thoughts being a forgone conclusion in one's mind, and someone sanely exercising the right to die peacefully. The inability to distinguish these two would be far more harmful. > suicide is absolutely an option You said it yourself. Option, not forgone conclusion. But I would go as far as to say exercising one's right to choose one's death should not even be called suicide. You're already dying. You did not choose death, so it's not suicide. The word "suicide" has immense negative implications in many cultures and religions. If by simply changing the term we can exonerating their soul from the sin they themselves believe in, and assist them in a more beautiful death, we should be all for it. Having thoughts of dying better are not suicidal thoughts.
- solipsism 10y ago
  You said it yourself. Option, not forgone conclusion. What are you arguing against, exactly? You said a bunch of absolutes. Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness You apparently realize they're not actually absolutes. End of thread. But I would go as far as to say exercising one's right to choose one's death should not even be called suicide Pedantry isn't very helpful here, nor is ex post facto modifying the definition of the words you used to match your intention. You may not think it should be called suicide, but that's not how language works. When you use the word "suicide" what matters is how others understand it, not yourself. You're not leaving comments for yourself to read, presumably.
  - unabst 10y ago
    Choosing how to die is not choosing to die. Your inability to make this distinction and to use one word to describe both is not something you can blame definitions for. > that's not how language works It is. If we need another word, we make one up or adjust our expressions. Words are not absolute. Our expressions are not the result of absolute words. Our words are always an approximation of what we wish to absolutely express. Language then evolves with us. A middle ground would be to say suicide could mean both "choosing death" and "choosing how to die faced with death". Well, the former is absolutely a sickness, and that is the suicide I was talking about. Since you dislike how and what I write I won't bother, but you'll continue to miss many valid points by forcing intentions to be tied to words and not with the speaker. You need to be more permissive and flexible than that. Just saying.