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Still waiting for the blockbuster case where the all-seeing-eye saved the day? At some level this is being sold to the public. Are we getting what we paid for?
by zaroth 10y ago
Still waiting for the blockbuster case where the all-seeing-eye saved the day? At some level this is being sold to the public. Are we getting what we paid for?
This technology should be nothing if not incredibly useful. The potential of abuse is so bad because it's so damn useful. So, if it's inevitable that it's going to be created, and inevitable that it's going to be abuse, can we at least try to ensure we use it for good as much as possible?
- ISL 10y agoAn all-seeing eye is perhaps too apropos.... 'You are wise and powerful. Will you not take the Ring?’ 'No!' cried Gandalf, springing to his feet. 'With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still greater and more deadly.' His eyes flashed and his face was lit as by a fire within. 'Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused. The wish to wield it would be too great for my strength. I shall have such need of it. Great perils lie before me.'
- reddytowns 10y agoHere is another opinion on the matter, probably closer to how politicians would feel about it ‘And what business is it of yours, anyway, to know what I do with my own things? It is my own. I found it. It came to me. It is mine, I tell you. My own. My Precious. Yes, my Precious.’ --Bilbo Baggins
- wilbo 10y agoThere was a great Radiolab episode [1] on this very technology about how this has saved the day multiple times in the civilian world. They also cover the questions you bring up. The radio hosts couldn't come up with a good answer on how to best use it. I highly recommend listening to the Radiolab episode in full. [1] http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ Edit: Updated to only link to Radiolab. Note to Self's staff was just a guest. The Radiolab episode covers a lot more detail on the Juarez murder covered on the Bloomberg article.
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- ipostonthisacc 10y agoAn example of using it for good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm_QOoFGAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm_QOoFGAc
- jccc 10y agoThis is Alan Dershowitz' argument for "torture warrants" [1] applied to pervasive surveillance. If that association bothers you, please reconsider glossing over the assumption that pervasive surveillance is inevitable and unstoppable. If anything, is it not less inevitable than abuses during a particular interrogation that rise to the level of torture? If we're unwilling to give torture the approval of regulation, we ought to be even more unwilling to give the less-inevitable pervasive surveillance that kind of approval. [1] http://www.spectacle.org/0202/seth.html http://www.spectacle.org/0202/seth.html (To clarify: I'm comparing the inevitability of individual acts of torture with pervasive surveillance, not inevitability of pervasive torture with particular technological ability to mass-surveil. Of course the technical ability to do something may be inevitable, but not the transformation of Western cities into Panopticons.)
- zaroth 10y agoI think it's a fair comparison, but here's where it breaks down. The technology already exists and is already widely deployed. I think the reporting has not kept up with the facts on the ground. If the battle against widespread deployment of cameras and microphones is already lost, it comes down to a utilization battle. For now I think we see parallel construction obfuscating much the tech is actually being used and giving it cover against constitutional challenges. As that changes, the Supreme Court will have to grapple with how much of this Panopticonal evidence can be used in court. Drive around the Bay Area and almost every single intersection has CCTV aiming down at driver's faces & license plates in all directions. I must assume that's all recorded indefinitely and also feeds license plate and facial recognition systems.
- jccc 10y agoTorture (by US military and domestic police) already exists, and is employed more widely than the general populace seems to care about. This has been going on a long time. Is the fight against torture already lost, in which case we're just down to figuring out utilization? > almost every single intersection has CCTV aiming down at driver's faces & license plates in all directions. I'm not against trying to reign in the surveillance that exists. By all means, lets push for ways to do so. The difference we have is that you seem to be more interested in how best to use all this cool tech than in any sort of principle opposing it. What is inevitable about all those street cameras? Do they just grow out of the poles like branches on trees?
- ckozlowski 10y agoThe big equalizer in mature justice systems is a strict set of laws that regulate and restrict the instances in which evidence can be gathered and used in a courtroom. I think it's inevitable that technology is created, but not inevitable that it will be abused, at least, to the level we fear. However, this is ONLY if those checks are put into place. It requires a critical legislature to write balanced laws, and a strong judiciary that can hold investigators to account and throw out illegal uses of this technology in cases where it's abused.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoI don't think the public cares anymore. They are numb from all the "think of the children" and "Terrorists, mmmmkay?"
- malyk 10y agohttp://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ Here is a really interesting episode where the technology was able to backtrack from the assassination of a police officer to the perps and resulted in arrests (iirc). I know what my gut reaction to the always on camera in the ski technology is, but after examples like the above I'm not sure how my thinking brain feels about it yet.
- torkable 10y agoassassination lol