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I've been saying that Pokemon Go is going to go the same way as the Kinect and the Wii. Fun for the novelty, but beyond that the fundamentals are very bad. Ther

by oneloop 10y ago

I've been saying that Pokemon Go is going to go the same way as the Kinect and the Wii. Fun for the novelty, but beyond that the fundamentals are very bad. Therefore, once the novelty starts to wear off....

mkaziz 10y ago
I thought the Wii had great fundamentals. I loved playing a lot of the core Wii games.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  How many of the core wii games used motion controls? Even the big Nintendo IP games used primarily a classical control scheme if not exclusively.
  - whateveracct 10y ago
    Both Mario Galaxies (arguably the best two games on Wii) used motion controls along with buttons+analog stick. It was wonderful and not overdone.
  - minimaxir 10y ago
    The top-selling Wii games were the Wii Sports games + spinoffs, almost all of which were primarily motion-control: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_vid...
    - rtkwe 10y ago
      I think those sales numbers are skewed in favor of Wii Sports because it was bundled with the console the same way The Lab is for the Vive.
      - minimaxir 10y ago
        True; the others were not, though. (Except there may have been a SKU with Wii Sports Resort)
  - kbenson 10y ago
    Err, what? The first Zelda for Wii (Twilight Princess) made some use of the controller. It's how you aimed ranged weapons, and how you did special sword swings. This game was also released for the Gamecube, so they couldn't do too much with pure wiimote controls. The second Zelda for Wii did more, including using wiimote movement for flapping when flying, and more intricate sword control. Mario Kart shipped with a wheel attachment so you could steer using that. Metroid games for the Wii make extensive use of the wiimote pointer for aiming. The Wario games are all about utilizing different control schemes, as are the Mario Party games. The 2D Mario games did not make much use of the wiimote, but that's a good thing. Forcing weird controls onto a game type that doesn't fundamentally support them well is not a good thing. As can be expected, Nintendo was one of the biggest users of the new functionality on their system. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea they didn't use the new functionality, unless you mean they didn't use only the new functionality, but why would they do something as stupid as that?
abritinthebay 10y ago
The Kinect is goddamn amazing. Using a system without a Kinect makes me feel like Scotty in Star Trek 4.
- jmcdiesel 10y ago
  Eh.. Kinect GAMES are kinda weak... The most useful features of the kinect only need a mic to work, but of course MS wont let you just use a mic for those features... they want you to buy a ridiculously expensive gadget to collect dust while waiting for a voice command...
  - abritinthebay 10y ago
    Auto login with my face needs the camera. Controlling my tv with my hand needs a camera. But yes, overall the Kinect games are not numerous - what does exist tho was, when good, really good. Also Xbox Fitness would not work well at all without it - and that's fantastic
    - jmcdiesel 10y ago
      Autologin doesn't really matter for me, with a single primary account, autologin can be enabled anyway. Controlling the TV with the hand, while I haven't used it long term, was a rather annoying experience IMO, since it twice did things at a friends house while we were talking... Even the voice features... its become a thing to troll people by yelling xbox commands over chat, if they have chat on the TV, you can really screw people up... I would probably disable that anyway.

by oneloop 10y ago

mkaziz 10y ago

I thought the Wii had great fundamentals. I loved playing a lot of the core Wii games.

dogma1138 10y ago
How many of the core wii games used motion controls? Even the big Nintendo IP games used primarily a classical control scheme if not exclusively.
- whateveracct 10y ago
  Both Mario Galaxies (arguably the best two games on Wii) used motion controls along with buttons+analog stick. It was wonderful and not overdone.
- minimaxir 10y ago
  The top-selling Wii games were the Wii Sports games + spinoffs, almost all of which were primarily motion-control: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_vid...
  - rtkwe 10y ago
    I think those sales numbers are skewed in favor of Wii Sports because it was bundled with the console the same way The Lab is for the Vive.
    - minimaxir 10y ago
      True; the others were not, though. (Except there may have been a SKU with Wii Sports Resort)
- kbenson 10y ago
  Err, what? The first Zelda for Wii (Twilight Princess) made some use of the controller. It's how you aimed ranged weapons, and how you did special sword swings. This game was also released for the Gamecube, so they couldn't do too much with pure wiimote controls. The second Zelda for Wii did more, including using wiimote movement for flapping when flying, and more intricate sword control. Mario Kart shipped with a wheel attachment so you could steer using that. Metroid games for the Wii make extensive use of the wiimote pointer for aiming. The Wario games are all about utilizing different control schemes, as are the Mario Party games. The 2D Mario games did not make much use of the wiimote, but that's a good thing. Forcing weird controls onto a game type that doesn't fundamentally support them well is not a good thing. As can be expected, Nintendo was one of the biggest users of the new functionality on their system. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea they didn't use the new functionality, unless you mean they didn't use only the new functionality, but why would they do something as stupid as that?

abritinthebay 10y ago

The Kinect is goddamn amazing. Using a system without a Kinect makes me feel like Scotty in Star Trek 4.

jmcdiesel 10y ago
Eh.. Kinect GAMES are kinda weak... The most useful features of the kinect only need a mic to work, but of course MS wont let you just use a mic for those features... they want you to buy a ridiculously expensive gadget to collect dust while waiting for a voice command...
- abritinthebay 10y ago
  Auto login with my face needs the camera. Controlling my tv with my hand needs a camera. But yes, overall the Kinect games are not numerous - what does exist tho was, when good, really good. Also Xbox Fitness would not work well at all without it - and that's fantastic
  - jmcdiesel 10y ago
    Autologin doesn't really matter for me, with a single primary account, autologin can be enabled anyway. Controlling the TV with the hand, while I haven't used it long term, was a rather annoying experience IMO, since it twice did things at a friends house while we were talking... Even the voice features... its become a thing to troll people by yelling xbox commands over chat, if they have chat on the TV, you can really screw people up... I would probably disable that anyway.