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Thank god for negative feedback loops eh? I'm actually glad we have more CO2 in the atmosphere, because it will increase biodiversity and agricultural yields. I

Thank god for negative feedback loops eh? I'm actually glad we have more CO2 in the atmosphere, because it will increase biodiversity and agricultural yields. I don't see any evidence that climate change is proceeding at a fast enough pace to cause damage.

doingmyting 10y ago
If huge portions of the glaciers disappearing every year isn't convincing enough I pray neither you or your desendants are allowed to inhabit any other planet we decide to go to.
kristopolous 10y ago
There's a pretty solid factual case for quantifiable damage here: floods in Louisiana, Texas, India, West Virginia and France and fires in California, Portugal and Canada. There's also decreased crop yield due to droughts and decreased fish yield due to ocean acidification. This is non-zero.
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- James001 10y ago
  Almost all of those cases can have explanations that are not global warming related. For example, in Canada those fires were huge because of too-efficient fire suppression methods. Not enough controlled fires were done in that area and Fort Mcmurray expanded beyond its Fire Protection zone. Not every weather-related catastrophe is caused by global warming, that just harms the credibiltiy of that argument
  - kristopolous 10y ago
    better go change wikipedia then because it basically says 'climate change'.
mikeash 10y ago
What's the evidence for increased CO2 leading to increased biodiversity and agricultural yields?
- monk_e_boy 10y ago
  Wasn't CO2 much higher in the past, hence why plants were so massive and could support big dino's.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    Yes, CO2 was into the single-digit parts per thousand for much of the dinosaur era. I have no idea how that affected plant growth, but even if that's the cause, it seems tenuous to look at Mesozoic plant growth and assume modern agricultural crops will imitate them. Certainly far more tenuous than the evidence that climate change is causing damage and will cause more.
    - monk_e_boy 10y ago
      So you think that rising temperatures may be good for agriculture? From a website: As climate change leads to more frequent and intense natural hazards, it is expected that climate displacement will only increase in Bangladesh. The best estimates suggest that up to 18 million people may be displaced by sea level rise alone. http://displacementsolutions.org/ds-initiatives/climate-change-and-displacement-initiative/bangladesh-climate-displacement/ http://displacementsolutions.org/ds-initiatives/climate-chan... Europe us really struggling to deal with the migrants and refugees from Syria. I do wonder how we'll cope with future migrations. It really brings into perspective the idea of a border. Of a country. Just a man drew a line on a map.
      - mikeash 10y ago
        What gives you the impression I think that?
    - James001 10y ago
      It is not tenuous to suggest that modern agricultural crops will yield more in a higher CO2 environment (look into greenhouses). It is actually far less tenuous than speculating that CO2 is causing runaway global warming.

doingmyting 10y ago

If huge portions of the glaciers disappearing every year isn't convincing enough I pray neither you or your desendants are allowed to inhabit any other planet we decide to go to.

kristopolous 10y ago

There's a pretty solid factual case for quantifiable damage here: floods in Louisiana, Texas, India, West Virginia and France and fires in California, Portugal and Canada. There's also decreased crop yield due to droughts and decreased fish yield due to ocean acidification. This is non-zero.

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James001 10y ago
Almost all of those cases can have explanations that are not global warming related. For example, in Canada those fires were huge because of too-efficient fire suppression methods. Not enough controlled fires were done in that area and Fort Mcmurray expanded beyond its Fire Protection zone. Not every weather-related catastrophe is caused by global warming, that just harms the credibiltiy of that argument
- kristopolous 10y ago
  better go change wikipedia then because it basically says 'climate change'.

mikeash 10y ago

What's the evidence for increased CO2 leading to increased biodiversity and agricultural yields?

monk_e_boy 10y ago
Wasn't CO2 much higher in the past, hence why plants were so massive and could support big dino's.
- mikeash 10y ago
  Yes, CO2 was into the single-digit parts per thousand for much of the dinosaur era. I have no idea how that affected plant growth, but even if that's the cause, it seems tenuous to look at Mesozoic plant growth and assume modern agricultural crops will imitate them. Certainly far more tenuous than the evidence that climate change is causing damage and will cause more.
  - monk_e_boy 10y ago
    So you think that rising temperatures may be good for agriculture? From a website: As climate change leads to more frequent and intense natural hazards, it is expected that climate displacement will only increase in Bangladesh. The best estimates suggest that up to 18 million people may be displaced by sea level rise alone. http://displacementsolutions.org/ds-initiatives/climate-change-and-displacement-initiative/bangladesh-climate-displacement/ http://displacementsolutions.org/ds-initiatives/climate-chan... Europe us really struggling to deal with the migrants and refugees from Syria. I do wonder how we'll cope with future migrations. It really brings into perspective the idea of a border. Of a country. Just a man drew a line on a map.
    - mikeash 10y ago
      What gives you the impression I think that?
  - James001 10y ago
    It is not tenuous to suggest that modern agricultural crops will yield more in a higher CO2 environment (look into greenhouses). It is actually far less tenuous than speculating that CO2 is causing runaway global warming.