> Giving folks a decent baseline might end crimes of poverty and necessity, but would have little effect on the rest of the causes. Exactly what I was implying

> Giving folks a decent baseline might end crimes of poverty and necessity, but would have little effect on the rest of the causes. Exactly what I was implying. > I can't put speeding in the same category as crimes of poverty, so I won't mention it further. I didn't put it in the same category. I used both as examples. For me speeding is way worse then petty theft (out of necessity). And that said by someone who had a break in while sleeping and had to deal with the fear and anxiety for long after that. Being radically honest now: For me speeding more then 10km/h above speed limit should be punishable with the equivalent of one years worth of income before taxes. At least. Make it hurt financially and make it hurt very much. And if an accident happens, with the person speeding should be automatically jailed. For at least 3 years to life (depending on the amount of speeding and the severity of the accident). For me, if they speed and endanger their fellow citizens they loose every right to be treated as a normal human being. In my mind they are then entering the category of solipsistic arles and should be treated as such.