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Interesting. I can't imagine that I'm alone in this, but when I use the computer, I'm usually trying to get something done. Now, I realize that my security sys

by ci5er 10y ago

Interesting. I can't imagine that I'm alone in this, but when I use the computer, I'm usually trying to get something done. Now, I realize that my security systems are often trying to help keep me from doing something foolish, but much like software updates, I'm not interested in taking my off of the task at hand. I'm not sure how the software is supposed to wait until after I've done something stupid, but I agree that I would be more available (attention-wise) to take note of it afterwards.

deargle 10y ago
> I'm not sure how the software is supposed to wait until after I've done something stupid, but I agree that I would be more available (attention-wise) to take note of it afterwards. Yeah the idea of timing security messages like this only applies to "security messages that can wait", such as software or antivirus update prompts, performing scans (like this tools does), backup reminders, etc. Doesn't work for blocking security messages like browser security warnings or password-creation prompts.
flukus 10y ago
They could have passive indicators, like the warning lights in a car. You aren't supposed to stop driving the second they come on, yet they're persistent enough that you don't forget. Chrome updates seem to be doing this lately, it indicates there is an update (and it's already been downloaded) and that you need to restart. Windows on the other hand is in your face when you don't want it to be (from annoying dialog to attempting to restart itself), but then after you dismiss the dialog it gets hidden in the notification tray. It expects you to remember. I wonder if it would be better to follow the chrome/car approach and have something like a red windows menu button.
- ci5er 10y ago
  That sounds a lot better than their dark patterns tricking my distracted self into accidentally OK-ing an upgrade to Windows 10!
  - flukus 10y ago
    I actually have the opposite problem. Windows 7 updates that refuse to install so I can't upgrade to windows 10. I think it's related to when I installed silverlight (for netflix or something) which decided then decided that my OEM copy of windows was pirated. Shit like that has me eyeing up a return to ubuntu.
    - ci5er 10y ago
      I hear you. I spend probably half of my time in a Unix-ey dev environment, and way too much of the other half in Microsoft Office. When I tried running Windows in a VM on RHEL (maybe it was Fedora) and then Ubuntu or Fedora in a VM on Windows, I just found that Linux played nicer in the guest VM than Windows did, so I still find myself with a Windows host. But, I tell you: if they ever make MS Excel work nicely on Linux - I'm done with Windows! :-)
      - flukus 10y ago
        I had that experience installing docker recently, the home edition of windows 10 doesn't support it properly because of arbitrary feature limitations. Generally I stick with windows for work related activities, but with .net and soon sql server being cross platform and my favorite games already there I don't have much of a reason to stay.
    - SixSigma 10y ago
      My recent win7 sp1 upgrade kept failing. Turns out it needed the 100MB system partition marked "active" in Diskman. I think Grub had changed that when I dual installed. I found stories of people who deleted the 100MB partiotion and had to do a full reinstall.

by ci5er 10y ago

deargle 10y ago

> I'm not sure how the software is supposed to wait until after I've done something stupid, but I agree that I would be more available (attention-wise) to take note of it afterwards. Yeah the idea of timing security messages like this only applies to "security messages that can wait", such as software or antivirus update prompts, performing scans (like this tools does), backup reminders, etc. Doesn't work for blocking security messages like browser security warnings or password-creation prompts.

flukus 10y ago

They could have passive indicators, like the warning lights in a car. You aren't supposed to stop driving the second they come on, yet they're persistent enough that you don't forget. Chrome updates seem to be doing this lately, it indicates there is an update (and it's already been downloaded) and that you need to restart. Windows on the other hand is in your face when you don't want it to be (from annoying dialog to attempting to restart itself), but then after you dismiss the dialog it gets hidden in the notification tray. It expects you to remember. I wonder if it would be better to follow the chrome/car approach and have something like a red windows menu button.

ci5er 10y ago
That sounds a lot better than their dark patterns tricking my distracted self into accidentally OK-ing an upgrade to Windows 10!
- flukus 10y ago
  I actually have the opposite problem. Windows 7 updates that refuse to install so I can't upgrade to windows 10. I think it's related to when I installed silverlight (for netflix or something) which decided then decided that my OEM copy of windows was pirated. Shit like that has me eyeing up a return to ubuntu.
  - ci5er 10y ago
    I hear you. I spend probably half of my time in a Unix-ey dev environment, and way too much of the other half in Microsoft Office. When I tried running Windows in a VM on RHEL (maybe it was Fedora) and then Ubuntu or Fedora in a VM on Windows, I just found that Linux played nicer in the guest VM than Windows did, so I still find myself with a Windows host. But, I tell you: if they ever make MS Excel work nicely on Linux - I'm done with Windows! :-)
    - flukus 10y ago
      I had that experience installing docker recently, the home edition of windows 10 doesn't support it properly because of arbitrary feature limitations. Generally I stick with windows for work related activities, but with .net and soon sql server being cross platform and my favorite games already there I don't have much of a reason to stay.
  - SixSigma 10y ago
    My recent win7 sp1 upgrade kept failing. Turns out it needed the 100MB system partition marked "active" in Diskman. I think Grub had changed that when I dual installed. I found stories of people who deleted the 100MB partiotion and had to do a full reinstall.