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1) No problem because the new configs aren't there for no reason. 2) Every OS has bugs. You won't get away from that by switching. 3) I often see this fact qu

1) No problem because the new configs aren't there for no reason. 2) Every OS has bugs. You won't get away from that by switching. 3) I often see this fact quoted but nobody ever points out how it has actually ever caused a problem for them other than their sense of ownership being offended. You can switch for whatever reasons you want though. Are you actually a Windows user who is considering a switch?

Sylos 10y ago
1) I didn't say that they are there for no reason, rather that there is no reason why there can't be a simple switch which turns everything off in an easily accessible way, or heck even having everything off by default. And no, Microsoft needs telemetry is not a reason when we're talking about user-friendliness/respect. 2) No, but you can get away from malicious defaults. Believe it or not, but there's OSs out there where the defaults are an actual recommendation from actual people. And again, same fallacy. Just because every OS has bugs, doesn't mean that it's ok for one OS to suddenly have more of them for no reason, or in this case more severe bugs, as with user-respecting defaults only the most hardcore Microsoft-fanboys would complain that their computer suddenly stopped sending telemetry to Microsoft. 3) Because we don't know the extent of the damage that this does. We don't know what is being sent, what is being stored, how long it's being stored. Could be that even the most privacy-friendly setting can still report you to the NSA and get you on some list. Could be that people have already disappeared, because they were on such a list at the NSA, without anyone knowing about it. The same stuff was going on for a good while at the Stasi before people noticed, and the Stasi was a bad joke in comparison to the NSA. > You can switch for whatever reasons you want though. Are you actually a Windows user who is considering a switch? No, I already switched with the Windows 10 + new ToS launch in expectation of something like this going down, although I also just got extremely lucky, as it wasn't my only reason at the time. This actually going down, though, certainly has cemented that decision. Why do you ask?
- WayneBro 10y ago
  > Could be that people have already disappeared... NSA... Stasi... Uhmm, OK. I don't think that switching to a different OS is going to do anything to stop the NSA, but I sincerely wish you good fortune in that endeavor. Please make sure that you comb over every line of code that you run on your system, because that's the only way you're going to be safe. Given the type of concerns that you stated I had a hard time imagining that you ever used Windows. That's why I asked. Anyway, here are my other responses: 1) Sure there is a reason. It's a really bad design to have one switch that disables a set of completely unrelated features. 2) You say they're being malicious, but you have zero proof. Until such time as you have some proof, this argument holds no weight whatsoever. 3) Exactly. You don't know.

Sylos 10y ago

1) I didn't say that they are there for no reason, rather that there is no reason why there can't be a simple switch which turns everything off in an easily accessible way, or heck even having everything off by default. And no, Microsoft needs telemetry is not a reason when we're talking about user-friendliness/respect. 2) No, but you can get away from malicious defaults. Believe it or not, but there's OSs out there where the defaults are an actual recommendation from actual people. And again, same fallacy. Just because every OS has bugs, doesn't mean that it's ok for one OS to suddenly have more of them for no reason, or in this case more severe bugs, as with user-respecting defaults only the most hardcore Microsoft-fanboys would complain that their computer suddenly stopped sending telemetry to Microsoft. 3) Because we don't know the extent of the damage that this does. We don't know what is being sent, what is being stored, how long it's being stored. Could be that even the most privacy-friendly setting can still report you to the NSA and get you on some list. Could be that people have already disappeared, because they were on such a list at the NSA, without anyone knowing about it. The same stuff was going on for a good while at the Stasi before people noticed, and the Stasi was a bad joke in comparison to the NSA. > You can switch for whatever reasons you want though. Are you actually a Windows user who is considering a switch? No, I already switched with the Windows 10 + new ToS launch in expectation of something like this going down, although I also just got extremely lucky, as it wasn't my only reason at the time. This actually going down, though, certainly has cemented that decision. Why do you ask?

WayneBro 10y ago
> Could be that people have already disappeared... NSA... Stasi... Uhmm, OK. I don't think that switching to a different OS is going to do anything to stop the NSA, but I sincerely wish you good fortune in that endeavor. Please make sure that you comb over every line of code that you run on your system, because that's the only way you're going to be safe. Given the type of concerns that you stated I had a hard time imagining that you ever used Windows. That's why I asked. Anyway, here are my other responses: 1) Sure there is a reason. It's a really bad design to have one switch that disables a set of completely unrelated features. 2) You say they're being malicious, but you have zero proof. Until such time as you have some proof, this argument holds no weight whatsoever. 3) Exactly. You don't know.