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And now they're taking over mounting and unmounting filesystems, too. What's it going to take to get this cancer out of Linux distros?

by beedogs 10y ago

to3m 10y ago
Complaining on forums ought to do it.
dijit 10y ago
Moving to BSD and Gentoo in the business space. taking money away from the main driver; Red Hat. Unfortunately most companies that use Red Hat products don't actually pay for it already (My multi-national company uses CentOS)
- rhinoceraptor 10y ago
  That seems extremely unlikely. All the people who care about systemd spend their time groveling incessantly on the internet about it. And all the people who don't care, just use it without ever giving it a second thought. And moving to BSD or Gentoo only costs businesses more money, there's no rational reason to do it for a business.
  - dijit 10y ago
    I care about systemd. Thus all my personal infra is using variants of BSD fit for the purpose and I'm pushing for my next game launch to be on FreeBSD where POSIX/Unix is required. Change is slow but it will happen if people can make convincing arguments against systemd to people who just want it to work and not break with the least amount of money. Topics like this help my cause. It's not about grovelling it's about sending a message that "if you're going to try to be the alpha and the omega then we will hold you responsible when you fail to deliver" Nobody asked them to do this, people fought against it. But here we are and they are absolutely responsible for the bugs they inflict on the world and their hostile attitudes towards other projects.
    - rhinoceraptor 10y ago
      My point is the overwhelming majority of (technical) people simply don't care about init. I search for 'how to enable service in Linux X'. If I'm a real wizard, I might even write a simple init script. But the amount that I care or think about init is basically nil.
      - dijit 10y ago
        the problem isn't necessarily init. it's everything else. The lock in, the increasing lack of interoperability, the hostility, the increasing controversies. But also, it's a little bit the init, which could have been designed much better.
Esau 10y ago
IMHO, the problem is the influence of people who are obsessed with turning Linux in to a desktop environment. Personally, I am more concerned with Linux being a good version of Unix. In my opinion, the SystemD is anti-Unix and should be shunned.
StreamBright 10y ago
Alpine linux FTW!
Spivak 10y ago
That's a little disingenuous, the final arbiter of mounts on a system is and always has been the kernel. Systemd is taking over the usual interface so that mounts can have and be used as dependencies.

And now they're taking over mounting and unmounting filesystems, too. What's it going to take to get this cancer out of Linux distros?

by beedogs 10y ago

And now they're taking over mounting and unmounting filesystems, too. What's it going to take to get this cancer out of Linux distros?

to3m 10y ago

Complaining on forums ought to do it.

dijit 10y ago

Moving to BSD and Gentoo in the business space. taking money away from the main driver; Red Hat. Unfortunately most companies that use Red Hat products don't actually pay for it already (My multi-national company uses CentOS)

rhinoceraptor 10y ago
That seems extremely unlikely. All the people who care about systemd spend their time groveling incessantly on the internet about it. And all the people who don't care, just use it without ever giving it a second thought. And moving to BSD or Gentoo only costs businesses more money, there's no rational reason to do it for a business.
- dijit 10y ago
  I care about systemd. Thus all my personal infra is using variants of BSD fit for the purpose and I'm pushing for my next game launch to be on FreeBSD where POSIX/Unix is required. Change is slow but it will happen if people can make convincing arguments against systemd to people who just want it to work and not break with the least amount of money. Topics like this help my cause. It's not about grovelling it's about sending a message that "if you're going to try to be the alpha and the omega then we will hold you responsible when you fail to deliver" Nobody asked them to do this, people fought against it. But here we are and they are absolutely responsible for the bugs they inflict on the world and their hostile attitudes towards other projects.
  - rhinoceraptor 10y ago
    My point is the overwhelming majority of (technical) people simply don't care about init. I search for 'how to enable service in Linux X'. If I'm a real wizard, I might even write a simple init script. But the amount that I care or think about init is basically nil.
    - dijit 10y ago
      the problem isn't necessarily init. it's everything else. The lock in, the increasing lack of interoperability, the hostility, the increasing controversies. But also, it's a little bit the init, which could have been designed much better.

Esau 10y ago

IMHO, the problem is the influence of people who are obsessed with turning Linux in to a desktop environment. Personally, I am more concerned with Linux being a good version of Unix. In my opinion, the SystemD is anti-Unix and should be shunned.

StreamBright 10y ago

Alpine linux FTW!

Spivak 10y ago

That's a little disingenuous, the final arbiter of mounts on a system is and always has been the kernel. Systemd is taking over the usual interface so that mounts can have and be used as dependencies.