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This post shows two huge flaws in the way car traffic works: - You don't have a right to drive at 70 km/h! It's the upper bound! - Cyclists are seen as obstac

by aoloe 10y ago

This post shows two huge flaws in the way car traffic works: - You don't have a right to drive at 70 km/h! It's the upper bound! - Cyclists are seen as obstacles and not as road users. I don't own a car but sometimes have a ride with other people and it's scary to notice how aggressive some people are towards the other road users. And I'm even more frightened by those people who drive too fast (for their skills) just because they don't want to get in the way of the aggressive ones. But luckily, there are also very cool drivers!

shard972 10y ago
> - You don't have a right to drive at 70 km/h! It's the upper bound! Sure that's fine but when 1 lane is going 70 and another 30 for whatever reason you have an objectively more dangerous situation. You can't just expect people to sit and in the 30 lane, be happy and not try and pull out in front of others to get into the fast lane. > - Cyclists are seen as obstacles and not as road users. I would say that most people see elderly/drunk/wtf drivers who drive around well under the speed limit as obstacles too. Have you ever tried driving home after work at half the speed limit? I haven't but from my limit experience seeing others do it you don't exactly get a nice reaction from people. We can sit around saying how unfair, dehumanising and whatnot it is to people to see cyclists as an obstacle but I don't see how you can just stamp that out without real changes to how the system currently works, I just don't see how logically the culture can change without an complete overhaul in values. > And I'm even more frightened by those people who drive too fast (for their skills) just because they don't want to get in the way of the aggressive ones. To be honest, the aggressive drivers aren't the scariest, it's the clueless ones that are much more scarier. They sit in lanes daydreaming until the realize they need to move somewhere and just make it happen, merge now, blinker in a second then check my blind spot. Fast drivers usually have much better awareness of who is around them and because of that do stupid things which can end up bad, most accidents though are caused through negligence rather than fast drivers.
- aoloe 10y ago
  Sorry to tell you, but you're 100% confirming my opinion. Drivers as you (I suppose you are describing the way you're driving), are in my eyes the most dangerous on the street. They probably won't be causing the most accidents directly, but they put other people under stress and push them not to respect their own limits. We have more and more elderly people who need to be active in the society and also more and more people who only drive a car a few times a year. And when you will get older (and it will happen! believe me!), you will still want to drive a car and you will have the same attitude my mother has: driving too fast, because she does not want to feel like an obstacle. But you will not be driving as well as in the good old times. Anyway, statistics don't lie: 93% of the US drivers seem to consider themselves better than average... (says Wikipedia)

by aoloe 10y ago

shard972 10y ago

> - You don't have a right to drive at 70 km/h! It's the upper bound! Sure that's fine but when 1 lane is going 70 and another 30 for whatever reason you have an objectively more dangerous situation. You can't just expect people to sit and in the 30 lane, be happy and not try and pull out in front of others to get into the fast lane. > - Cyclists are seen as obstacles and not as road users. I would say that most people see elderly/drunk/wtf drivers who drive around well under the speed limit as obstacles too. Have you ever tried driving home after work at half the speed limit? I haven't but from my limit experience seeing others do it you don't exactly get a nice reaction from people. We can sit around saying how unfair, dehumanising and whatnot it is to people to see cyclists as an obstacle but I don't see how you can just stamp that out without real changes to how the system currently works, I just don't see how logically the culture can change without an complete overhaul in values. > And I'm even more frightened by those people who drive too fast (for their skills) just because they don't want to get in the way of the aggressive ones. To be honest, the aggressive drivers aren't the scariest, it's the clueless ones that are much more scarier. They sit in lanes daydreaming until the realize they need to move somewhere and just make it happen, merge now, blinker in a second then check my blind spot. Fast drivers usually have much better awareness of who is around them and because of that do stupid things which can end up bad, most accidents though are caused through negligence rather than fast drivers.

aoloe 10y ago
Sorry to tell you, but you're 100% confirming my opinion. Drivers as you (I suppose you are describing the way you're driving), are in my eyes the most dangerous on the street. They probably won't be causing the most accidents directly, but they put other people under stress and push them not to respect their own limits. We have more and more elderly people who need to be active in the society and also more and more people who only drive a car a few times a year. And when you will get older (and it will happen! believe me!), you will still want to drive a car and you will have the same attitude my mother has: driving too fast, because she does not want to feel like an obstacle. But you will not be driving as well as in the good old times. Anyway, statistics don't lie: 93% of the US drivers seem to consider themselves better than average... (says Wikipedia)