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I think the bigger problem is that people on bicycles don't always obey the laws which are in place to protect both them and motor vehicle drivers. The parent m

by Etzos 10y ago

I think the bigger problem is that people on bicycles don't always obey the laws which are in place to protect both them and motor vehicle drivers. The parent mentioned cyclists who run through traffic lights and similar infrastructure with wanton disregard for the situation (I have witnessed this many times myself). This creates a situation that is dangerous to everyone involved and is quite illegal. However, there is no recourse as there is no easy way to identify them as you would a motor vehicle as there are no plates or identifying items on the bicycle. Ultimately I agree that adding plates is a bit extreme, but I think it's also disingenuous to say there is no problem and ignore them. Edit: I would also like to note that I'm not commenting on motor vehicles disobeying laws in similar situations, they routinely do, however that does not take away from the fact that there is an issue here as well.

steveax 10y ago
Stop sign/light honoring daily bike commuter here who often scolds cyclists that do not obey the law, but I think you'll find that the statistics do not bear out the danger you present. How many fatalities (or even serious injuries) result from cyclists blowing through stop signs? If you remove the offending cyclist from that stats, I'd guess you're looking at about zero. I do remember a case in PDX a few years ago where a reckless cyclist struck and killed a man, but it is exceedingly rare.
- pjbster 10y ago
  I seem to remember a trial which was piloted in London (UK) a few years back which permitted a cyclist to go through a red light if turning left. Can anyone shed any light on how this worked out?
  - slavik81 10y ago
    Presumably fine? It's perfectly acceptable for any sort of vehicle to turn right after stopping at a red light in Alberta, Canada and I've never heard of it causing a problem. I know that seems weird for people where right on red is illegal, but it's really no different than what happens at a stop sign.
    - pjbster 10y ago
      Turns out it was only a proposal which was never tried after all: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/oct/27/cyclists-run-red-lights-paris-london-san-francisco https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/oct/27/cyclists-run-... Johnson and Transport for London requested permission for a trial back in 2009, but it never took place. TfL has concentrated instead on remodelling junctions to allow “early release” (where cyclists get a green light before cars) and “hold the left-turning traffic” (keeping cyclists and cars apart on left turns).
cardamomo 10y ago
> people on bicycles don't always obey the laws which are in place to protect both them and motor vehicle drivers I'm willing to buy an argument that "vehicular cycling" (using the road in a way that's similar to a car) can be safer in certain circumstances and that obeying traffic lights, stop signs, and so on can help cyclists and drivers share the road more safely. I have certainly felt that way when I've cycled in communities that aren't used to many bikes on the road. On the other hand, the idea that traffic laws are there to protect cyclists just doesn't make sense to me. By and large, traffic laws in the U.S. seem to privilege the material concerns and safety of drivers.
- crazy1van 10y ago
  > On the other hand, the idea that traffic laws are there to protect cyclists just doesn't make sense to me. I think traffic laws encourage predictability and predictability leads to safety for everyone -- cars, pedestrians, and cyclists. Having driven in 3rd world countries a few times where traffic laws were completely ignored, it was always shocking to drive again in the US. Everything seemed so controlled and ordered by comparison.

by Etzos 10y ago

steveax 10y ago

Stop sign/light honoring daily bike commuter here who often scolds cyclists that do not obey the law, but I think you'll find that the statistics do not bear out the danger you present. How many fatalities (or even serious injuries) result from cyclists blowing through stop signs? If you remove the offending cyclist from that stats, I'd guess you're looking at about zero. I do remember a case in PDX a few years ago where a reckless cyclist struck and killed a man, but it is exceedingly rare.

pjbster 10y ago
I seem to remember a trial which was piloted in London (UK) a few years back which permitted a cyclist to go through a red light if turning left. Can anyone shed any light on how this worked out?
- slavik81 10y ago
  Presumably fine? It's perfectly acceptable for any sort of vehicle to turn right after stopping at a red light in Alberta, Canada and I've never heard of it causing a problem. I know that seems weird for people where right on red is illegal, but it's really no different than what happens at a stop sign.
  - pjbster 10y ago
    Turns out it was only a proposal which was never tried after all: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/oct/27/cyclists-run-red-lights-paris-london-san-francisco https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/oct/27/cyclists-run-... Johnson and Transport for London requested permission for a trial back in 2009, but it never took place. TfL has concentrated instead on remodelling junctions to allow “early release” (where cyclists get a green light before cars) and “hold the left-turning traffic” (keeping cyclists and cars apart on left turns).

cardamomo 10y ago

> people on bicycles don't always obey the laws which are in place to protect both them and motor vehicle drivers I'm willing to buy an argument that "vehicular cycling" (using the road in a way that's similar to a car) can be safer in certain circumstances and that obeying traffic lights, stop signs, and so on can help cyclists and drivers share the road more safely. I have certainly felt that way when I've cycled in communities that aren't used to many bikes on the road. On the other hand, the idea that traffic laws are there to protect cyclists just doesn't make sense to me. By and large, traffic laws in the U.S. seem to privilege the material concerns and safety of drivers.

crazy1van 10y ago
> On the other hand, the idea that traffic laws are there to protect cyclists just doesn't make sense to me. I think traffic laws encourage predictability and predictability leads to safety for everyone -- cars, pedestrians, and cyclists. Having driven in 3rd world countries a few times where traffic laws were completely ignored, it was always shocking to drive again in the US. Everything seemed so controlled and ordered by comparison.