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As I stated, "usage I have seen", or how I generally see it used as opposed to the dictionary definition. Either way, the point is it is not a term invented to

As I stated, "usage I have seen", or how I generally see it used as opposed to the dictionary definition. Either way, the point is it is not a term invented to insult immigrants into the U.S. and deify U.S. citizens living abroad in comparison. > Expats are immigrants, so if more immigration leads to higher unemployment then more expats leads to higher unemployment. Depends how you are using the term. In any case, a larger labor pool in the U.S. means less demand for workers (lower wages and higher unemployment). U.S. expats/emigrants working in another country would have that same effect on the host country as immigrants to the U.S., though again, a significant percentage of American expats are retirees living on social security, and I just don't think there is enough data to identify net results on either the host country or the U.S. (since healthcare costs or lack thereof would be the real differentiator there).

dalke 10y ago
Where have you seen anyone use expat "as a way to differentiate between living in another country while remaining primarily a U.S. citizen (and still paying U.S. taxes, etc.) vs. renouncing your U.S. citizenship and leaving forever"? Because as a US citizen living overseas I've paid very close attention to this topic and have never heard anyone connect the two together. By this definition, almost every American overseas is an expat, yes? Including US military currently based overseas? If so, it's very far from any definition I'm used to. Perhaps you can point to one of your sources? > Depends how you are using the term No, it doesn't. What definition are you using where an expat is something other than an immigrant? Or at the very least, a temporary immigrant. > though again, a significant percentage of American expats are retirees living on social security Yes, those retiree expats are immigrants. What else can they be? They immigrated to another country to retire. I think you are confusing "immigrants" with "foreign workers"?
- ta_donk_gt 10y ago
  Seems like you just want to argue, so I'm not sure anything I say matters. You continue to harp on one or two words while ignoring the main points I am making (even though I point out explicitly "these are the main points I am making"). Anyways, to address the issues you raised... > Where have you seen anyone use expat... I see the term almost exclusively in researching possible foreign locations to live and work remotely as a U.S. citizen. It is a fairly rare event for me to see it used elsewhere, but I rarely read about U.S. citizens employed onsite in other countries, so that is really not surprising. My concerns are generally what types of residency options are available, and what they might mean for the U.S. side of things (taxes, citizenship, etc.). >> Depends how you are using the term > No, it doesn't. Yes, it does, and again I feel like you are really just trying to argue here. What I meant by "Depends" is that your post was not clear as to which parties were in which country to determine economic ramifications, so said another way "whether your statement is true depends on specifically what your statement is saying". I don't see how you could have read the sentence that followed and not have gotten that. The point is, a country receiving immigrants that increase the labor pool will thereby experience lower demand for workers. > I think you are confusing "immigrants" with "foreign workers"? I'm not confusing anything, and I have no issue with the definition of expatriate and immigrant meaning the same thing. I've stated some of what I've seen as an anecdote that may or may not shed some light on why some people may use the word the way they do.
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dalke 10y ago

Where have you seen anyone use expat "as a way to differentiate between living in another country while remaining primarily a U.S. citizen (and still paying U.S. taxes, etc.) vs. renouncing your U.S. citizenship and leaving forever"? Because as a US citizen living overseas I've paid very close attention to this topic and have never heard anyone connect the two together. By this definition, almost every American overseas is an expat, yes? Including US military currently based overseas? If so, it's very far from any definition I'm used to. Perhaps you can point to one of your sources? > Depends how you are using the term No, it doesn't. What definition are you using where an expat is something other than an immigrant? Or at the very least, a temporary immigrant. > though again, a significant percentage of American expats are retirees living on social security Yes, those retiree expats are immigrants. What else can they be? They immigrated to another country to retire. I think you are confusing "immigrants" with "foreign workers"?

ta_donk_gt 10y ago
Seems like you just want to argue, so I'm not sure anything I say matters. You continue to harp on one or two words while ignoring the main points I am making (even though I point out explicitly "these are the main points I am making"). Anyways, to address the issues you raised... > Where have you seen anyone use expat... I see the term almost exclusively in researching possible foreign locations to live and work remotely as a U.S. citizen. It is a fairly rare event for me to see it used elsewhere, but I rarely read about U.S. citizens employed onsite in other countries, so that is really not surprising. My concerns are generally what types of residency options are available, and what they might mean for the U.S. side of things (taxes, citizenship, etc.). >> Depends how you are using the term > No, it doesn't. Yes, it does, and again I feel like you are really just trying to argue here. What I meant by "Depends" is that your post was not clear as to which parties were in which country to determine economic ramifications, so said another way "whether your statement is true depends on specifically what your statement is saying". I don't see how you could have read the sentence that followed and not have gotten that. The point is, a country receiving immigrants that increase the labor pool will thereby experience lower demand for workers. > I think you are confusing "immigrants" with "foreign workers"? I'm not confusing anything, and I have no issue with the definition of expatriate and immigrant meaning the same thing. I've stated some of what I've seen as an anecdote that may or may not shed some light on why some people may use the word the way they do.

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