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They're using CBT to see whether CBT is enough? I don't understand your statement. My point was that there are typically unconscious thoughts that lead to diso
by surement 10y ago
They're using CBT to see whether CBT is enough? I don't understand your statement.
My point was that there are typically unconscious thoughts that lead to disorders, and fixing those disorders at the surface without finding the root is likely to cause them to reappear later, in the same or different form. E.g. aspirin will not cure malaria.
- Tharkun 10y agoI think they meant that the psychologist would tell the patient when a condition wouldn't benefit from CBT. As opppsed to relying on your own judgement and using self help books.
- tormeh 10y agoCBT goes a bit deeper than you think. Not as deep as psychoanalysis, but that's not really saying much. CBT does not dwell on how things came to be, but it does care about why things persist. CBT is in part about finding the flaws in your thinking that fucks you up.
- surement 10y agoFair point, but the criticism generally is exactly that: > CBT is in part about finding the flaws in your thinking that fucks you up. That is, it focuses on conscious thought rather than unconscious. It seems to be enough only in the more benign cases.
- tormeh 10y agoWell, many of the assumptions underlying your conscious thoughts are unconscious. CBT does go into those assumptions.
- DanBC 10y agoIt allows you some time and space to recognise the unconscious thoughts, and to identify the things that cause those thoughts.
- digler999 10y ago> It seems to be enough only in the more benign cases. you're assuming a false relationship between level of consciousness and severity. Case in point: war veteran with PTSD. His PTSD is from getting shot at, not from a disrupted relationship with his mother when he was 5. case 2: patient has a phobia of flying. therapist gradually deconstructs the phobia using CBT methods, until the patient finally gets in a plane and flies. Subconscious issues are not correlated to severity.
- surement 10y agoYour claim is that one's depression, anxiety, paranoia, etc., caused by post-traumatic stress, is purely the result of conscious thoughts, even though the individual knows, consciously, that they are no longer in immediate danger? As for the second case, the "deconstruction" of a phobia is more characteristic of psychoanalysis than CBT.
- reinhardt 10y agoCan CBT help with finding and addressing why one can't seem to find motivation and satisfaction from (most areas of) life? A state where almost everything feels boring, dull and lukewarm at best?
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