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Your choice to ignore speeding as a crime is interesting. Stealing has much lower risk of killing someone, so in a sense, speeding is much closer to murder.

by xapata 10y ago

anexprogrammer 10y ago
Only in the context of the OP talking about crimes of necessity. Speeding may perhaps be a necessity if you're trying to get someone to hospital, but in normal circumstances near a school is plain reckless. Speeding and other motoring offences aren't a necessity in the same way stealing money for food might be. They're not influenced by poverty at all. Some of the other motivations are common though. Hence choosing to ignore in that context.
dwaltrip 10y ago
Please, tell me, how much more likely is a there to be a fatality if one is going 5mph above the speed limit? I'm dying to know
- arjie 10y ago
  The correlation between fatality rate and speed of impact is so well established that you should just be doing your own research here and looking it up. If you can't be bothered, the answer is that it depends on which 5 mph it is. Speeding by 5 mph in the 30 mph school zone mentioned above is substantially increasing risk of fatality of pedestrian hit. Likewise, the correlation between speed and time to stop is also rather well established.
  - dwaltrip 10y ago
    I wasn't asking for the increased risk of fatality assuming there was a crash. We are talking about the overall impact of the decision to speed, so we can't assume a specific scenario. Of course which 5 mph it is also matters, as you've stated. It also matters if it is 2 mph or 10 mph. I still think GP's assertion is ridiculous. Minor speeding, which is what most people do, is not "close to murder" by any reasonable analysis.
    - arjie 10y ago
      There have been quite a few improvements in car technology since it was released, but the first Google result I could find says that 1 mph increase in average speed results in a 5% increase in injury accidents: http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_reports/cat_traffic_and_transport_planning/report_the_effects_of_drivers_speed_on_the_frequency_of_road_accidents.htm http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_r...
    - xapata 10y ago
      Perhaps not, but that's not what I said, either. I said that on the dimension of likelihood of causing death, speeding is closer to murder than theft is. Let me offer a thought experiment: You're a parent in a nice quiet neighborhood. Scenario One: You come home from work and your front door has been kicked in. Someone stole your laptop. Scenario Two: The neighborhood kids are playing ball in your yard. A car drives down your street at 90 mph. Which scenario makes you more angry? When someone steals my stuff, I get sad. When someone ignores a stop sign while I'm in the crosswalk, I get angry.

Your choice to ignore speeding as a crime is interesting. Stealing has much lower risk of killing someone, so in a sense, speeding is much closer to murder.

by xapata 10y ago

Your choice to ignore speeding as a crime is interesting. Stealing has much lower risk of killing someone, so in a sense, speeding is much closer to murder.

anexprogrammer 10y ago

Only in the context of the OP talking about crimes of necessity. Speeding may perhaps be a necessity if you're trying to get someone to hospital, but in normal circumstances near a school is plain reckless. Speeding and other motoring offences aren't a necessity in the same way stealing money for food might be. They're not influenced by poverty at all. Some of the other motivations are common though. Hence choosing to ignore in that context.

dwaltrip 10y ago

Please, tell me, how much more likely is a there to be a fatality if one is going 5mph above the speed limit? I'm dying to know

arjie 10y ago
The correlation between fatality rate and speed of impact is so well established that you should just be doing your own research here and looking it up. If you can't be bothered, the answer is that it depends on which 5 mph it is. Speeding by 5 mph in the 30 mph school zone mentioned above is substantially increasing risk of fatality of pedestrian hit. Likewise, the correlation between speed and time to stop is also rather well established.
- dwaltrip 10y ago
  I wasn't asking for the increased risk of fatality assuming there was a crash. We are talking about the overall impact of the decision to speed, so we can't assume a specific scenario. Of course which 5 mph it is also matters, as you've stated. It also matters if it is 2 mph or 10 mph. I still think GP's assertion is ridiculous. Minor speeding, which is what most people do, is not "close to murder" by any reasonable analysis.
  - arjie 10y ago
    There have been quite a few improvements in car technology since it was released, but the first Google result I could find says that 1 mph increase in average speed results in a 5% increase in injury accidents: http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_reports/cat_traffic_and_transport_planning/report_the_effects_of_drivers_speed_on_the_frequency_of_road_accidents.htm http://www.trl.co.uk/online_store/reports_publications/trl_r...
  - xapata 10y ago
    Perhaps not, but that's not what I said, either. I said that on the dimension of likelihood of causing death, speeding is closer to murder than theft is. Let me offer a thought experiment: You're a parent in a nice quiet neighborhood. Scenario One: You come home from work and your front door has been kicked in. Someone stole your laptop. Scenario Two: The neighborhood kids are playing ball in your yard. A car drives down your street at 90 mph. Which scenario makes you more angry? When someone steals my stuff, I get sad. When someone ignores a stop sign while I'm in the crosswalk, I get angry.