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Half of Western European men descended from one Bronze Age ‘king’
- GunboatDiplomat 10y agoThe Indo-European expansions?
- imron 10y agoEventually you are either the ancestor of everyone on earth or the ancestor of no-one.
- d13 10y agoI'm confused too. You only need to go back 30 generations until you have 1.07 billion ancestors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor. That means any old bones we dig up that are over about 4,000 years old will almost certainly be one of our relatives. Can anyone the article's significance in this context?
- jsnell 10y agoIf only half the population in Europe shared a most common ancestor 4000 years back, that would be absolutely shocking. But this article is misleading, and that's not what the research says. It's actually not about ancestry in general, but purely about patrilinear ancestry [0], which doesn't have the same kind of fan-out. If you go 30 generations back, you might have a billion ancestors, but only 30 patrilinear ones. [0] That's the measurement they have to make. We have technology to measure patrilinear ancestry through the Y chromosome, and matrilinear ancestry through the mitochondrial DNA. But there is no way of doing the same for ancestry in general.
- maxander 10y ago> But there is no way of doing the same for ancestry in general. Uh, sure there is- apply the same techniques to non-Y, non-mitochondrial chromosomes.
- jsnell 10y agoI don't think you can apply the same techniques, since they depend on a special property of the Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA: they are not affected by sexual reproduction, only by mutations.
- maxander 10y agoHuh, you're right- studies on the altogether most recent human common ancestor are all based on pure statistics. I'd thought that genetic recombination could be accounted for, since its not as though genetic information (and the mutations therein) are being lost in the process, but apparently no one's found a way to do this yet. Interesting... ! :)
- usrusr 10y agoIf you go back 30 generations, many, if not most, of your ancestors will be ancestors on more than one path. Except when you are a Spanish Habsburg, then going back just three generations might be enough.
- mjbellantoni 10y agoThere was similar news a few years ago relating how a large percentage of the world is descended from Genghis Khan: * http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-...
- empath75 10y agoThis is such a weird article. Literally anybody from 4000 years ago that has any living descendants is going to be a common ancestor of most of the planet. That's just math. Whoever this person was probably wasn't special and probably wasn't a king.
- madaxe_again 10y agoCame here to say the same. It's the same fallacy when people go "did you know there was once only one woman? Mitochondrial dna proves it!". If anything, the prevalence of one family of haplogroups just underscores a lack of genetic drift, which is what you'd expect from a rapidly growing population due to improvements in technology. The bigger the breeding population the more likely that mutations are drowned out by the prevalent alleles. Isolated populations drift, and mutations propagate more rapidly within them to become universal. If anything, it points to a potential bottleneck 4000 years ago, but not necessarily. If anyone's got a link to the paper it might shed some light on what was actually described...
- iamphilrae 10y agoGo back far enough and that 'king' was just a fish (or fish type thing)
- yitchelle 10y agoCoincidentally, I was just reading about how Genghis Khan was supposed to have directly lineage to 1 in 200 of world's male population. That study was in 2010. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-...