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From what I can gather it seems someone is angry that a guy named Jacob Applebaum is being accused of harassment. My first thoughts are: I don't know any of th

From what I can gather it seems someone is angry that a guy named Jacob Applebaum is being accused of harassment. My first thoughts are: I don't know any of those people, tor is open source, they should settle this in court like everyone else and keep tor out of it.

cocotino 10y ago
The Tor project, as many other popular open source projects, has been infiltrated by tons of people who like to use the popularity of it to spread their liberal propaganda. That's why it's in their interests to make as much noise as possible. The project itself is full with all sorts of people with mental illnesses, including sexual deviations, and a strong political bias--it's a massive echo chamber right now. And it's a shame because of the nature of this project: it should be kept neutral. Similar to the EFF for example.
- eropple 10y ago
  To the alt-right Interneteers, "don't rape people" is liberal propaganda now. I dunno, maybe this is some liberal extremism speaking, but I don't think organizations should be neutral on the issue of raping people.
sneak 10y ago
He is being accused of multiple rapes, not simply harassment.
- cocotino 10y ago
  This should be settled in court, not with witch hunting. I personally don't care about the people who work on a project that should be strictly technical. I don't understand why did they have to mix politics in.
  - sneak 10y ago
    That's true insofar as it applies to the question of whether or not he should be imprisoned; unfortunately our society is terrible at such things when it comes to rape. Whether or not Tor wishes to continue employing him should be left to the opinions of Tor management, which they are fully permitted to form after simply listening to the women he raped. I believe them. You should, too. Believing multiple rape victims isn't a witch hunt.
    - cocotino 10y ago
      If the Tor management wants to fire him, that's up to them. For any reason, or no reason at all. It's their decision. On the other hand, "rape" is a delicate matter, and all of this shouldn't have been discussed in public. >I believe them. You should, too. I don't believe them for two reasons: 1) There is no actual proof. I don't believe things for which there's no proof. 2) It's possible multiple people didn't like him and therefore between themselves they decided to accuse him of rape to get rid of him.
      - sneak 10y ago
        Direct eyewitness/victim testimony is proof, actually. You can doubt the credibility of that, if you like, but that's up to you; to say there is no proof is a falsehood. It is interesting that you pay more heed to the notion of a character assassination conspiracy involving multiple credible parties than the simpler explanation that perhaps this well-known liar is also a well-known rapist. Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
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        cocotino 10y ago
        No, those two aren't proof. How the fuck is victim testimony proof? "hello I got raped. plant this man in jail. cya" Same with eyewitnesses. "hello this is my friend. she got raped. plant this man in jail. cya" Medical reports ARE proof. Where are those? PS: I believe it's possible he's a rapist, based on his looks and his degenerate behaviour. But to plant someone in jail, you need actual proof. Period. http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/appelbaum,jake/Interesting http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/appelbaum,jake/Interesting
greatemployee 10y ago
Is that all you took away from this? I'm skeptical that you actually read it all. I think more attention is paid to CIA involvement and the sketchy activities of Tor leadership than to J. Applebaum. But I agree that the best strategy, assuming there was malfeasance, is probably not to hold Tor authorities accountable in this way.

cocotino 10y ago

The Tor project, as many other popular open source projects, has been infiltrated by tons of people who like to use the popularity of it to spread their liberal propaganda. That's why it's in their interests to make as much noise as possible. The project itself is full with all sorts of people with mental illnesses, including sexual deviations, and a strong political bias--it's a massive echo chamber right now. And it's a shame because of the nature of this project: it should be kept neutral. Similar to the EFF for example.

eropple 10y ago
To the alt-right Interneteers, "don't rape people" is liberal propaganda now. I dunno, maybe this is some liberal extremism speaking, but I don't think organizations should be neutral on the issue of raping people.

sneak 10y ago

He is being accused of multiple rapes, not simply harassment.

cocotino 10y ago
This should be settled in court, not with witch hunting. I personally don't care about the people who work on a project that should be strictly technical. I don't understand why did they have to mix politics in.
- sneak 10y ago
  That's true insofar as it applies to the question of whether or not he should be imprisoned; unfortunately our society is terrible at such things when it comes to rape. Whether or not Tor wishes to continue employing him should be left to the opinions of Tor management, which they are fully permitted to form after simply listening to the women he raped. I believe them. You should, too. Believing multiple rape victims isn't a witch hunt.
  - cocotino 10y ago
    If the Tor management wants to fire him, that's up to them. For any reason, or no reason at all. It's their decision. On the other hand, "rape" is a delicate matter, and all of this shouldn't have been discussed in public. >I believe them. You should, too. I don't believe them for two reasons: 1) There is no actual proof. I don't believe things for which there's no proof. 2) It's possible multiple people didn't like him and therefore between themselves they decided to accuse him of rape to get rid of him.
    - sneak 10y ago
      Direct eyewitness/victim testimony is proof, actually. You can doubt the credibility of that, if you like, but that's up to you; to say there is no proof is a falsehood. It is interesting that you pay more heed to the notion of a character assassination conspiracy involving multiple credible parties than the simpler explanation that perhaps this well-known liar is also a well-known rapist. Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
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      - cocotino 10y ago
        No, those two aren't proof. How the fuck is victim testimony proof? "hello I got raped. plant this man in jail. cya" Same with eyewitnesses. "hello this is my friend. she got raped. plant this man in jail. cya" Medical reports ARE proof. Where are those? PS: I believe it's possible he's a rapist, based on his looks and his degenerate behaviour. But to plant someone in jail, you need actual proof. Period. http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/appelbaum,jake/Interesting http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/appelbaum,jake/Interesting

greatemployee 10y ago

Is that all you took away from this? I'm skeptical that you actually read it all. I think more attention is paid to CIA involvement and the sketchy activities of Tor leadership than to J. Applebaum. But I agree that the best strategy, assuming there was malfeasance, is probably not to hold Tor authorities accountable in this way.