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I don't keep a "hackernews.txt" file of all the terrible things people say here, but as a cishet white dude I can assure you all you have to do to see them is "

I don't keep a "hackernews.txt" file of all the terrible things people say here, but as a cishet white dude I can assure you all you have to do to see them is "pay attention."

lisper 10y ago
You have completely missed the point. I do not deny that people say terrible things. I don't even deny that men say terrible things to women more often than other gender combinations, or that women in tech get discriminated against. It is still a very long leap from there to "the principal cause for my chronic poverty is my gender."
- Mz 10y ago
  Stating that I see a connection is not remotely the same thing as asserting it is the principal cause. This is a huge derail from a discussion that should be about congratulating Sharon Pope and welcoming her. Largely for that reason, I don't plan to comment further here. If I have anything more to say about any of this, it will wind up on my blog instead.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    I agree. I was about to write a comment but Im backing off. Apologies to Sharon. Do write the blog post, though. :)
    - Mz 10y ago
      http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-invisible-elephant-in-room.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-invisibl... As a courtesy to Sharon Pope, please do not continue the discussion here. Either leave comments on the blog or, if you just absolutely need to discuss it on HN, post the blog as a separate post and have the discussion there. Thank you.
  - lisper 10y ago
    > Stating that I see a connection is not remotely the same thing as asserting it is the principal cause. That's true, and I'm sorry if I over-extrapolated. But here is what you said: "...if I were male, I would be taken far more seriously and people would promote my work. I would have more traffic, and that would result in more income..." Can you see how someone might conclude that you meant it the way I interpreted it? > This is a huge derail from a discussion that should be about congratulating Sharon Pope and welcoming her. That is a very good point.

I don't keep a "hackernews.txt" file of all the terrible things people say here, but as a cishet white dude I can assure you all you have to do to see them is "pay attention."

lisper 10y ago

You have completely missed the point. I do not deny that people say terrible things. I don't even deny that men say terrible things to women more often than other gender combinations, or that women in tech get discriminated against. It is still a very long leap from there to "the principal cause for my chronic poverty is my gender."

Mz 10y ago
Stating that I see a connection is not remotely the same thing as asserting it is the principal cause. This is a huge derail from a discussion that should be about congratulating Sharon Pope and welcoming her. Largely for that reason, I don't plan to comment further here. If I have anything more to say about any of this, it will wind up on my blog instead.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  I agree. I was about to write a comment but Im backing off. Apologies to Sharon. Do write the blog post, though. :)
  - Mz 10y ago
    http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-invisible-elephant-in-room.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-invisibl... As a courtesy to Sharon Pope, please do not continue the discussion here. Either leave comments on the blog or, if you just absolutely need to discuss it on HN, post the blog as a separate post and have the discussion there. Thank you.
- lisper 10y ago
  > Stating that I see a connection is not remotely the same thing as asserting it is the principal cause. That's true, and I'm sorry if I over-extrapolated. But here is what you said: "...if I were male, I would be taken far more seriously and people would promote my work. I would have more traffic, and that would result in more income..." Can you see how someone might conclude that you meant it the way I interpreted it? > This is a huge derail from a discussion that should be about congratulating Sharon Pope and welcoming her. That is a very good point.