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Windows 10 is the reason I switched to Debian. I wonder if others will do the same.

by cmdrfred 10y ago

krisdol 10y ago
It's the reason I stopped dual booting and went full Manjaro.
ZoF 10y ago
Will this finally be the year of the Linux desktop? Nope.
- Agathos 10y ago
  The year of Linux on the desktop was around 2010. The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    I have a cheap chromebook with Crouton and I'm very happy for the price. Cheap, light and I get about 10 hours of battery life.
  - mr_overalls 10y ago
    Ubuntu on a Dell Latitude here. Windows runs in Virtualbox. It just works.
    - lttlrck 10y ago
      How is the default battery life? I had to use pretty aggressive tlp settings to get within 50% of what windows gets on an XPS out of the box.
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  - ZoF 10y ago
    Yeah, I was just joking really. (Although it's true, if by 'year of the linux desktop' you mean 'year it gets >10% marketshare') My NAS runs CentOS and I have Arch/Ubuntu on my home pc's, but I still dual boot Windows on one because gaming. The 'I wonder who else will switch to Debian 8 like me' just struck me as comical. I would be extremely surprised if MS lost any meaningful amount of marketshare from Win10, especially to linux distros.
  - arthurfm 10y ago
    > The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop. Do Chromebooks count?
blibble 10y ago
likewise, non-Linux gaming was always the problem for me, however now that VT-d works really very well, you can now virtualise games inside Windows at around 97% native speed. it was initially a pain to get working, however over the past 12 months the tooling has improved a great deal, in virt-manager you can now assign your graphics cards/sound card/... with 1 or 2 clicks, and it simply works! MS are free to spy on me playing Starcraft II in a VM, and I try to support Linux with my new purchases wherever possible.
- m_mueller 10y ago
  so you use Debian as well? are there already good blog posts or similar on how to get VT-d working? If not, I think you could get quite a few hits with this, at least I would be quite interested once I get to build my next gaming PC. Otherwise I'm a mac user and I just despise not having a POSIX as the host system.
  - blibble 10y ago
    yes, Debian testing, stock everything I might very well write a blog post, as quite a few people have asked
    - tetraodonpuffer 10y ago
      please do, I am curious especially about the video card (I thought that assigning a card to a vm meant the host system wouldn't be able to use it anymore, so how does it work)? Besides games I'd love to be able to have a daw working well with asio and so on, as in virtualbox this does not work very well unfortunately (I guess realtime audio is not an easy problem to solve when vms are involved)
      - blibble 10y ago
        I have two video cards (a slightly older one for Linux). audio was the hardest thing to get working smoothly... I have two soundcards, pass one through to Linux, and have a 5cm cable from the output into the line-in of the second card, which has hardware mixing so comes straight out the speakers with no pulseaudio involvement. needed a few registry hacks too (which I can't recall) quite a few people report success with HDMI audio output, but my monitors are too old for this, so I haven't tried it
jasonkostempski 10y ago
A week in to Xubuntu myself. It's such a pleasure being in control again.
sotojuan 10y ago
Interestingly, my friends that started hating Windows 10 went back to 7.
DHMO 10y ago
I'm surprised that it was Windows 10 that made you switch. Windows 8 was my biggest disappointment. Here's what I feel about each Windows release I've used much (1=low, 10=high): +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | Windows Version | Expectation | Disappointment | Usability | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | 3.1 | 5 | 2 | 8 | | 3.11 | 7 | 3 | 6 | | NT 3.51 | 7 | 5 | 7 | | 95 | 6 | 3 | 7 | | NT 4.0 | 7 | 3 | 9 | | 98 | 7 | 2 | 8 | | ME | 7 | 7 | 6 | | XP | 8 | 3 | 8 | | Vista | 5 | 5 | 4 | | 7 | 4 | 3 | 6 | | 8 | 6 | 8 | 2*| | 10 | 8 | 6 | 4 | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ * - marred by experience w/Surface RT
- Esau 10y ago
  From what I've observed, the biggest issues with Windows 10 are policy issues. Forced upgrades, forced telemetry, and deceptive/annoying attempts to get people to upgrade to it from Win7 and Win8.
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- bluejekyll 10y ago
  What is interesting about your numbering system is that your expectation continue to go up (in general) yet your disappointment also kept going up. I would have expected that expectation would have started going down after each disappointment.
- microcolonel 10y ago
  NT 4.0 was gold, I wish they would release a version of W10 (Windows NT 9.0?) which has all the goodies and none of the dreck. That way I could test websites in their two entire web browsers without being marketed Office 365.
m-jones 10y ago
The major benefit of switching from a proprietary operating system to a free operating system is the communities ability to investigate a problem and freely document how to fix it. It could be described as a decentralized troubleshooting process as it has no single point of failure and is free for all to contribute to. The freedom these operating systems give us is something I think should be emphasised more as people tend to focus on the technical challenge.
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m-jones 10y ago
What made you chose the Debian distribution of GNU/Linux?
conradfr 10y ago
My personal computers are on Windows 7, using Microsoft OS since Dos 6.22. At work & my server I've been using Ubuntu for years. I was just waiting to see how Windows 10 would evolve, because I don't really want to use Linux at home but it seems that's the way I will have to go.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Just wait a bit more and things will sort out. I am on MS OSes since MS-DOS 3.3. So far only skipped MS-DOS 4, Windows ME and Vista.
pjmlp 10y ago
Since Windows 7 I happen to only use GNU/Linux on my travel netbook and even got back to doing mostly .NET projects.
kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
Win 7 made me switch permanently. I got tired of the ever slower boot process despite not installing anything.

Windows 10 is the reason I switched to Debian. I wonder if others will do the same.

krisdol 10y ago

It's the reason I stopped dual booting and went full Manjaro.

ZoF 10y ago

Will this finally be the year of the Linux desktop? Nope.

Agathos 10y ago
The year of Linux on the desktop was around 2010. The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  I have a cheap chromebook with Crouton and I'm very happy for the price. Cheap, light and I get about 10 hours of battery life.
- mr_overalls 10y ago
  Ubuntu on a Dell Latitude here. Windows runs in Virtualbox. It just works.
  - lttlrck 10y ago
    How is the default battery life? I had to use pretty aggressive tlp settings to get within 50% of what windows gets on an XPS out of the box.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- ZoF 10y ago
  Yeah, I was just joking really. (Although it's true, if by 'year of the linux desktop' you mean 'year it gets >10% marketshare') My NAS runs CentOS and I have Arch/Ubuntu on my home pc's, but I still dual boot Windows on one because gaming. The 'I wonder who else will switch to Debian 8 like me' just struck me as comical. I would be extremely surprised if MS lost any meaningful amount of marketshare from Win10, especially to linux distros.
- arthurfm 10y ago
  > The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop. Do Chromebooks count?

blibble 10y ago

likewise, non-Linux gaming was always the problem for me, however now that VT-d works really very well, you can now virtualise games inside Windows at around 97% native speed. it was initially a pain to get working, however over the past 12 months the tooling has improved a great deal, in virt-manager you can now assign your graphics cards/sound card/... with 1 or 2 clicks, and it simply works! MS are free to spy on me playing Starcraft II in a VM, and I try to support Linux with my new purchases wherever possible.

m_mueller 10y ago
so you use Debian as well? are there already good blog posts or similar on how to get VT-d working? If not, I think you could get quite a few hits with this, at least I would be quite interested once I get to build my next gaming PC. Otherwise I'm a mac user and I just despise not having a POSIX as the host system.
- blibble 10y ago
  yes, Debian testing, stock everything I might very well write a blog post, as quite a few people have asked
  - tetraodonpuffer 10y ago
    please do, I am curious especially about the video card (I thought that assigning a card to a vm meant the host system wouldn't be able to use it anymore, so how does it work)? Besides games I'd love to be able to have a daw working well with asio and so on, as in virtualbox this does not work very well unfortunately (I guess realtime audio is not an easy problem to solve when vms are involved)
    - blibble 10y ago
      I have two video cards (a slightly older one for Linux). audio was the hardest thing to get working smoothly... I have two soundcards, pass one through to Linux, and have a 5cm cable from the output into the line-in of the second card, which has hardware mixing so comes straight out the speakers with no pulseaudio involvement. needed a few registry hacks too (which I can't recall) quite a few people report success with HDMI audio output, but my monitors are too old for this, so I haven't tried it

jasonkostempski 10y ago

A week in to Xubuntu myself. It's such a pleasure being in control again.

sotojuan 10y ago

Interestingly, my friends that started hating Windows 10 went back to 7.

DHMO 10y ago

I'm surprised that it was Windows 10 that made you switch. Windows 8 was my biggest disappointment. Here's what I feel about each Windows release I've used much (1=low, 10=high): +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | Windows Version | Expectation | Disappointment | Usability | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | 3.1 | 5 | 2 | 8 | | 3.11 | 7 | 3 | 6 | | NT 3.51 | 7 | 5 | 7 | | 95 | 6 | 3 | 7 | | NT 4.0 | 7 | 3 | 9 | | 98 | 7 | 2 | 8 | | ME | 7 | 7 | 6 | | XP | 8 | 3 | 8 | | Vista | 5 | 5 | 4 | | 7 | 4 | 3 | 6 | | 8 | 6 | 8 | 2*| | 10 | 8 | 6 | 4 | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ * - marred by experience w/Surface RT

Esau 10y ago
From what I've observed, the biggest issues with Windows 10 are policy issues. Forced upgrades, forced telemetry, and deceptive/annoying attempts to get people to upgrade to it from Win7 and Win8.
- deleted 10y ago
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bluejekyll 10y ago
What is interesting about your numbering system is that your expectation continue to go up (in general) yet your disappointment also kept going up. I would have expected that expectation would have started going down after each disappointment.
microcolonel 10y ago
NT 4.0 was gold, I wish they would release a version of W10 (Windows NT 9.0?) which has all the goodies and none of the dreck. That way I could test websites in their two entire web browsers without being marketed Office 365.

m-jones 10y ago

The major benefit of switching from a proprietary operating system to a free operating system is the communities ability to investigate a problem and freely document how to fix it. It could be described as a decentralized troubleshooting process as it has no single point of failure and is free for all to contribute to. The freedom these operating systems give us is something I think should be emphasised more as people tend to focus on the technical challenge.

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m-jones 10y ago

What made you chose the Debian distribution of GNU/Linux?

conradfr 10y ago

My personal computers are on Windows 7, using Microsoft OS since Dos 6.22. At work & my server I've been using Ubuntu for years. I was just waiting to see how Windows 10 would evolve, because I don't really want to use Linux at home but it seems that's the way I will have to go.

pjmlp 10y ago
Just wait a bit more and things will sort out. I am on MS OSes since MS-DOS 3.3. So far only skipped MS-DOS 4, Windows ME and Vista.

pjmlp 10y ago

Since Windows 7 I happen to only use GNU/Linux on my travel netbook and even got back to doing mostly .NET projects.

kevin_thibedeau 10y ago

Win 7 made me switch permanently. I got tired of the ever slower boot process despite not installing anything.