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Plugging in Kindle is crashing Windows 10 after summer update
- cmdrfred 10y agoWindows 10 is the reason I switched to Debian. I wonder if others will do the same.
- krisdol 10y agoIt's the reason I stopped dual booting and went full Manjaro.
- ZoF 10y agoWill this finally be the year of the Linux desktop? Nope.
- Agathos 10y agoThe year of Linux on the desktop was around 2010. The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop.
- cmdrfred 10y agoI have a cheap chromebook with Crouton and I'm very happy for the price. Cheap, light and I get about 10 hours of battery life.
- mr_overalls 10y agoUbuntu on a Dell Latitude here. Windows runs in Virtualbox. It just works.
- lttlrck 10y agoHow is the default battery life? I had to use pretty aggressive tlp settings to get within 50% of what windows gets on an XPS out of the box.
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- ZoF 10y agoYeah, I was just joking really. (Although it's true, if by 'year of the linux desktop' you mean 'year it gets >10% marketshare') My NAS runs CentOS and I have Arch/Ubuntu on my home pc's, but I still dual boot Windows on one because gaming. The 'I wonder who else will switch to Debian 8 like me' just struck me as comical. I would be extremely surprised if MS lost any meaningful amount of marketshare from Win10, especially to linux distros.
- arthurfm 10y ago> The trouble is, I'm still waiting for the year of Linux on the laptop. Do Chromebooks count?
- blibble 10y agolikewise, non-Linux gaming was always the problem for me, however now that VT-d works really very well, you can now virtualise games inside Windows at around 97% native speed. it was initially a pain to get working, however over the past 12 months the tooling has improved a great deal, in virt-manager you can now assign your graphics cards/sound card/... with 1 or 2 clicks, and it simply works! MS are free to spy on me playing Starcraft II in a VM, and I try to support Linux with my new purchases wherever possible.
- m_mueller 10y agoso you use Debian as well? are there already good blog posts or similar on how to get VT-d working? If not, I think you could get quite a few hits with this, at least I would be quite interested once I get to build my next gaming PC. Otherwise I'm a mac user and I just despise not having a POSIX as the host system.
- blibble 10y agoyes, Debian testing, stock everything I might very well write a blog post, as quite a few people have asked
- tetraodonpuffer 10y agoplease do, I am curious especially about the video card (I thought that assigning a card to a vm meant the host system wouldn't be able to use it anymore, so how does it work)? Besides games I'd love to be able to have a daw working well with asio and so on, as in virtualbox this does not work very well unfortunately (I guess realtime audio is not an easy problem to solve when vms are involved)
- blibble 10y agoI have two video cards (a slightly older one for Linux). audio was the hardest thing to get working smoothly... I have two soundcards, pass one through to Linux, and have a 5cm cable from the output into the line-in of the second card, which has hardware mixing so comes straight out the speakers with no pulseaudio involvement. needed a few registry hacks too (which I can't recall) quite a few people report success with HDMI audio output, but my monitors are too old for this, so I haven't tried it
- jasonkostempski 10y agoA week in to Xubuntu myself. It's such a pleasure being in control again.
- sotojuan 10y agoInterestingly, my friends that started hating Windows 10 went back to 7.
- DHMO 10y agoI'm surprised that it was Windows 10 that made you switch. Windows 8 was my biggest disappointment. Here's what I feel about each Windows release I've used much (1=low, 10=high): +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | Windows Version | Expectation | Disappointment | Usability | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ | 3.1 | 5 | 2 | 8 | | 3.11 | 7 | 3 | 6 | | NT 3.51 | 7 | 5 | 7 | | 95 | 6 | 3 | 7 | | NT 4.0 | 7 | 3 | 9 | | 98 | 7 | 2 | 8 | | ME | 7 | 7 | 6 | | XP | 8 | 3 | 8 | | Vista | 5 | 5 | 4 | | 7 | 4 | 3 | 6 | | 8 | 6 | 8 | 2*| | 10 | 8 | 6 | 4 | +-----------------+-------------+----------------+-----------+ * - marred by experience w/Surface RT
- Esau 10y agoFrom what I've observed, the biggest issues with Windows 10 are policy issues. Forced upgrades, forced telemetry, and deceptive/annoying attempts to get people to upgrade to it from Win7 and Win8.
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- bluejekyll 10y agoWhat is interesting about your numbering system is that your expectation continue to go up (in general) yet your disappointment also kept going up. I would have expected that expectation would have started going down after each disappointment.
- microcolonel 10y agoNT 4.0 was gold, I wish they would release a version of W10 (Windows NT 9.0?) which has all the goodies and none of the dreck. That way I could test websites in their two entire web browsers without being marketed Office 365.
- m-jones 10y agoThe major benefit of switching from a proprietary operating system to a free operating system is the communities ability to investigate a problem and freely document how to fix it. It could be described as a decentralized troubleshooting process as it has no single point of failure and is free for all to contribute to. The freedom these operating systems give us is something I think should be emphasised more as people tend to focus on the technical challenge.
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- m-jones 10y agoWhat made you chose the Debian distribution of GNU/Linux?
- conradfr 10y agoMy personal computers are on Windows 7, using Microsoft OS since Dos 6.22. At work & my server I've been using Ubuntu for years. I was just waiting to see how Windows 10 would evolve, because I don't really want to use Linux at home but it seems that's the way I will have to go.
- pjmlp 10y agoJust wait a bit more and things will sort out. I am on MS OSes since MS-DOS 3.3. So far only skipped MS-DOS 4, Windows ME and Vista.
- pjmlp 10y agoSince Windows 7 I happen to only use GNU/Linux on my travel netbook and even got back to doing mostly .NET projects.
- kevin_thibedeau 10y agoWin 7 made me switch permanently. I got tired of the ever slower boot process despite not installing anything.
- HeadlessChild 10y agoYup, I'm hit by this myself. Ridiculous.
- ryao 10y agoDoing proper testing is hard. That said, my household switched to a mix of Gentoo Linux, EdgeOS and iOS. We do not have things crash when USB devices are attached. :)
- lifeisstillgood 10y agoyou have your own ubiquiti routers? how is that working out?
- ambrop7 10y agoI would expect Gentoo is particularly problematic with regard to recovering from update regressions. I use NixOS where reverting to an older version is trivial.
- electricEmu 10y agoThat's excellent they meet your needs. It should be mentioned the lack of drivers for Linux is an issue and some of the binary ones available are flaky at best. That said, my household uses a mix of Linux, Windows 10, various IOT, and Android. I don't have things crash when USB devices are attached; sometimes they just don't work on the *nix machines.
- peterkelly 10y agoIt's 2016 and we're still doing drivers in kernel mode :( Andrew Tanenbaum's arguments for microkernels still ring just as true today as they always did.
- tobias3 10y agoFor USB devices it would be theoretically possible: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/wdf/overview-of-the-umdf https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/wd... A kindle is just a USB drive, though. And that driver is probably kernel mode for performance reasons.
- cm3 10y agoGiven the new crash-proof video driver architecture since Windows 8 and the variety of USB devices and their associated complexity, I had assumed the USB stack would be equally crash-proof by now. Isn't that the case? I recall they did a major overhaul like that for audio drivers too.
- vertex-four 10y agoIt's generally pretty "easy" to overhaul the graphics driver layer and get everyone to rewrite their drivers - the graphics card vendors work closely with Microsoft in the first place, and there's only a very small handful of them. USB, not so much.
- digi_owl 10y agoUSB is also a very ambiguous protocol. Observe the amount of problems device suspend on Linux was until someone noticed that the one minute mentioned in the spec was a recommendation rather than a rule.
- pjmlp 10y agoWindows is probably the desktop OS with better support for user mode drivers, still many developers still make them kernel mode, even if not needed. As for micro-kernels, at least they have won in the embedded and real time space, with the likes of QNX, L4 and a few others.
- kyriakos 10y agoWith an install-base the size of Windows 10 you can expect problems to come up but what is worrying is that they shouldn't have existed considering the "open-beta" / windows insiders. At least someone must have tried to plug in a Kindle and reported it / or the telemetry should have picked on it.
- Esau 10y agoA lot of the people I know who own Kindles never connect it to their computers. They literally obtain everything via Amazon or via Amazon's conversion services. EDIT: now that I think about it, Kindles don't come with power adapters anymore, do they? So users would probably still be connecting the Kindles for charging purposes.
- mtgx 10y agoIt seems to me this seems to happen a lot more than with previous operating systems. It's quite possible Nadella changed the company's culture from doing less Q&A and "moving fast" instead.
- infinityplus1 10y agoI didn't update yet because something like that would happen.
- muterad_murilax 10y agoWhat exactly is this "Anniversary Update" anyway?
- paride5745 10y agoWindows 10 SP1 with a fancy name.
- bpye 10y agoIt's a bit different to a service packs, service packs didn't usually include features, it's more like 8.1 was to 8.
- TillE 10y agoThat was true a very long time ago, but for example Windows XP SP2 added a firewall and Security Center. Big new consumer-oriented features.
- DaiPlusPlus 10y agoAnd Windows 8.1 was effectively SP1 there too, which added back the start button and other features. If there's anything Microsoft is consistent about, it's inconsistency.
- muterad_murilax 10y agoSo, what new features does it bring to Windows 10?
- wiradikusuma 10y agoI'm having crash problem as well, but it's when I plug my Apple keyboard (the one with numpad). It will crash Windows 10 right after boot. Unfortunately I still haven't found the solution even after googling for hours.
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- arcadeparade 10y agoI noticed my laptop fan running louder and longer until I finally updated to Windows 10. Now the fan is silent. Psychological warfare by Microsoft? Surprised more people aren't talking about this.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 10y agoInstalling windows 10 was the worst thing I did this year. My mouse would double click instead of click, had to drop enhanced power mode in using the device manger on every USB port. I got BSOD when going full screen on youtube - had to disable hardware acceleration. I got BSOD when pressing F5 in powerpoint.... I lost the ability to open the start menu after SP1 - a problem that exists since windows 8... I had to revert to the previous build. If the new Microsoft means no QA... I'd rather have the old one....
- FLUX-YOU 10y agoHow old is your PC? Have you run any CPU/Mem/Graphics diagnostics recently? Debugged any of the crash dumps? These symptoms seem like something might be up with your hardware.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 10y ago2.5 years, it's a Lenovo W530, with updated video drivers from Nvidia. Run windows 7 just fine, Ubuntu, gaming, multiple VMs. It's a beast, just can't handle windows 10 low quality.
- voltagex_ 10y agoStill doesn't mean that there isn't an underlying issue. I'd say hardware if you did a clean install or drivers if you did an upgrade. Grab something like WhoCrashed and you may be able to find the culprit
- legrandkay 10y agoI don't think reading let alone debugging crash dumps is a viable option for most users
- voltagex_ 10y agoNo, it definitely isn't. But for most HN readers it is. I'm happy to help anyone who reads this. The last crash dumps for a BSOD are often in c:\windows\MiniDump for a short amount of time after the crash.
- n1000 10y agoA recent Ars article related to Win 10 driver issues: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/windows-10-anniversary-update-breaks-most-webcams/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/window...
- kogir 10y agoI'd be willing to bet a fair bit of money the underlying problem is caused by third party software, likely AV. Could make sense, given in the mini dumps the crash happens right as the Kindle is mounting as a disk. Perhaps it's not this time, but I personally think Microsoft should do a better job of naming and shaming when third party drivers/software are responsible for crashes. Maybe even form a special team that looks out for stuff like this on forums, does root cause analysis, and maintains a wall of shame (as well as fixing customer issues).
- nikbackm 10y agoI get the crash and I have no AV except the default one included with Windows 10. Same symptoms as this guy [0], so likely related to the drivers included in the Windows 10 Anniversary Edition. Luckily there's a work-around so I can still connect to the Kindle with Calibre; just connect the Kindle _before_ starting Windows, then it will not crash, and also still work as an USB drive. [1] [0] http://www.tenforums.com/bsod-crashes-debugging/60314-bsod-crash-when-connecting-kindle-error-involves-partmanager-sys.html http://www.tenforums.com/bsod-crashes-debugging/60314-bsod-c... [1] https://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&cdThread=TxS2R55X6VN1AC https://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=F...
- kogir 10y agoI have a Paperwhite and two Windows 10 systems. Works fine on both. Is your system completely vanilla (mine were fresh installs onto empty drives from official media), or could your OEM have snuck something in? I'm not saying you're wrong, or that Windows isn't to blame. There just must be more to it than Windows 10 anniversary update + Kindle Paperwhite. Maybe you and others affected have some other thing in common.
- nikbackm 10y agoI upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 in-place. Windows 7 was installed (several years ago) using a clean Windows ISO, I have no OEM/bloatware stuff installed. I do have iTunes installed which apparently was the issue for some users. Others have also reported the getting the crash without that though. But I don't intend to try uninstalling it and see if that resolves the problem, I connect the Kindle so seldom that the work-around will do for now.
- Shorel 10y agoPlugging in Kindle opens Calibre in my Ubuntu install.
- impartial 10y agoIt looks like the Microsoft flag brigade have got to this one too.