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> If you came upon someone's custom HTTP client, I imagine your response would be something along those lines. No, why would it? What HTTP client framework am

> If you came upon someone's custom HTTP client, I imagine your response would be something along those lines. No, why would it? What HTTP client framework am I supposed to be wishing they used?

kbenson 10y ago
Maybe cURL? Some other one I don't know of (I know the ones in my preferred languages). Do we really need to also be responsible to dealing with already solved problems as well as the problems specific to our domain? Do we really want to also deal with the not-fully-compliant HTTP client or making sure we support HTTP/2, or do we want to use widely accepted solutions for those so we can focus on the real problem at hand (which is usually not the intricacies of HTTP negotiation, or some other well understood and supplied need).
- MustardTiger 10y ago
  Curl isn't a framework. >Do we really need to also be responsible to dealing with already solved problems as well as the problems specific to our domain? No? What does that have to do with anything? >Do we really want to also deal with the not-fully-compliant HTTP client or making sure we support HTTP/2, or do we want to use widely accepted solutions for those so we can focus on the real problem at hand (which is usually not the intricacies of HTTP negotiation, or some other well understood and supplied need). Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake or something? What does any of this have to do with me or what I said?
  - kbenson 10y ago
    > Curl isn't a framework. I wasn't under the impression we should be limiting this to frameworks. What's the difference between a framework and a library for the purpose of this discussion? I think they are functionally equivalent. I was clear to equate it to crypto originally, which doesn't really make sense when viewed as applying to frameworks only. We're a couple comments removed from that, I thought that wasn't in question. Same with an HTTP client. Frameworks don't event necessarily implement clients. I'm addressing NIH syndrome, and I don't think frameworks really deserve special consideration in any way. > Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake or something? What does any of this have to do with me or what I said? See above. And I've been sticking with the same examples since the first comment. Why is this all of a sudden not making sense?
    - MustardTiger 10y ago
      >I wasn't under the impression we should be limiting this to frameworks The discussion is entirely and solely about frameworks.. >What's the difference between a framework and a library for the purpose of this discussion? Wikipedia exists. >See above Above what? Nothing you said above answers my question. >And I've been sticking with the same examples since the first comment. Why is this all of a sudden not making sense? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, like I clearly stated.
      - kbenson 10y ago
        My point was frameworks are functionally no different than a large complex library, and as such, the same arguments apply. That said, I'm not entirely happy with the way the tone of this conversation is heading, so I'll excuse myself now.
        MustardTiger 10y ago
        >My point was frameworks are functionally no different than a large complex library You'll have to forgive me for not guessing that given that nothing in your post came anywhere close to even suggesting anything of the sort. I am limited to reading what you write, and can not read your mind. Yes, frameworks are different from libraries. Boy, that was productive.

> If you came upon someone's custom HTTP client, I imagine your response would be something along those lines. No, why would it? What HTTP client framework am I supposed to be wishing they used?

kbenson 10y ago

Maybe cURL? Some other one I don't know of (I know the ones in my preferred languages). Do we really need to also be responsible to dealing with already solved problems as well as the problems specific to our domain? Do we really want to also deal with the not-fully-compliant HTTP client or making sure we support HTTP/2, or do we want to use widely accepted solutions for those so we can focus on the real problem at hand (which is usually not the intricacies of HTTP negotiation, or some other well understood and supplied need).

MustardTiger 10y ago
Curl isn't a framework. >Do we really need to also be responsible to dealing with already solved problems as well as the problems specific to our domain? No? What does that have to do with anything? >Do we really want to also deal with the not-fully-compliant HTTP client or making sure we support HTTP/2, or do we want to use widely accepted solutions for those so we can focus on the real problem at hand (which is usually not the intricacies of HTTP negotiation, or some other well understood and supplied need). Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake or something? What does any of this have to do with me or what I said?
- kbenson 10y ago
  > Curl isn't a framework. I wasn't under the impression we should be limiting this to frameworks. What's the difference between a framework and a library for the purpose of this discussion? I think they are functionally equivalent. I was clear to equate it to crypto originally, which doesn't really make sense when viewed as applying to frameworks only. We're a couple comments removed from that, I thought that wasn't in question. Same with an HTTP client. Frameworks don't event necessarily implement clients. I'm addressing NIH syndrome, and I don't think frameworks really deserve special consideration in any way. > Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake or something? What does any of this have to do with me or what I said? See above. And I've been sticking with the same examples since the first comment. Why is this all of a sudden not making sense?
  - MustardTiger 10y ago
    >I wasn't under the impression we should be limiting this to frameworks The discussion is entirely and solely about frameworks.. >What's the difference between a framework and a library for the purpose of this discussion? Wikipedia exists. >See above Above what? Nothing you said above answers my question. >And I've been sticking with the same examples since the first comment. Why is this all of a sudden not making sense? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, like I clearly stated.
    - kbenson 10y ago
      My point was frameworks are functionally no different than a large complex library, and as such, the same arguments apply. That said, I'm not entirely happy with the way the tone of this conversation is heading, so I'll excuse myself now.
      - MustardTiger 10y ago
        >My point was frameworks are functionally no different than a large complex library You'll have to forgive me for not guessing that given that nothing in your post came anywhere close to even suggesting anything of the sort. I am limited to reading what you write, and can not read your mind. Yes, frameworks are different from libraries. Boy, that was productive.